@number6

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@all Earlybird described in Alan's words (for those who feel the need to debate this): http://amigaworld.net/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?topic_id=5075&forum=33 #6

I found this thread quite enlightening. It seems to me that communications has been an issue for a very long time. Although this is ancient history now, I remember being worried that I had somehow stumbled into a void when I received a plain white CD-R with my MicroA1 motherboard. It contained OS4 pre-release update #1 and installed just fine. But there was no indication whatever if the official CD was temporarily out of stock. After many enquiries, I was quite relieved when I finally received the official pre-release CD about 3 1/2 months later.

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redfox

@Stew

Thanks for the moobunny reference.

I should make it plain that moobunny provides a good service to the community, my problems with it lie elsewhere.

For the meanwhile I'll stick to my estimate that 80% of the "legal problems issue" is pure FUD.

Who knows maybe that is a conservative figure?

Anyhow if there is SAM OS4 release soon, a lot of this stuff can be ignored.

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@redfox

I take it you bought from Livewire, same as me. I heard that the official CDs were held up in Vancover customs at the time, took a while to release them. Adam & Justin had to burn copies to ship with the micros.


Edit: Name correction

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@sundown

Yes, Livewire. Actually, that explanation makes a lot of sense.

BTW, I received good support from Justin and Adam, received a usable system (motherboard and OS), and everything worked out in the end. My only complaint was a lack of information at a time when I needed it (for a month or two, I thought I was alone, until I noticed a thread where you and some others were in the same boat).

Anyways, that was a long time ago and I have been running OS4 for over two years.

Thanks,
redfox

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@stew

This is moobunny we're talking about, so I wouldn't get too excited just yet. Given people's willingness over there to make up stuff just to get a good flamewar going (up to and including posting slander under someone else's name), I think we can file that under "100% unverifiable noise"

@redfox

Yah, we had a lot to learn in those days & still do.

#6 & me still go at it in IRC, I know he's been trying to lure you into joining.

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@AmiKit

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there's at least one more possible explanation why the CD is being prepared... hmmm... SAM? But who knows...

This could suggest that OS4 is not going to be shipped with SAM (and this is rather not true).

@sundown

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There are 2nd hand owners that don't have the serial number that came with the A1 so they can't update.

Is it possible? If so than many second hand owners obtained the system updates in illegal way. It is not the case for me.

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@CodeSmith

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The optimist view is that Hyperion and ACube have decided to keep using the AmigaOne brand and the Sam with OS4 going to be sold as the "AmigaOne 440" or something like that, so Rogue wasn't referring to the Articia-based boxes some of us have.

This sounds very optimistic. But this could also mean that AmigaOne version (as stated) will not be for sale or (like AmiKit thinks) will not be bundled with SAM.

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@Rogue

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About the CD production, we had a couple of last minute features we wanted to include, which is why the Final ISO is not what will be pressed on CD. Besides the fact that the CD release will have a contribs section, it will also feature a few newer components, among other things, the new ELF library that is able to load UNIX-like shared object files

So I was right saying that CD will differ from the downloadable version. And this is not only the case of add-ons but also the system itself.

Anyway, thanks for the reply Rogue.

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@mailman

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there's at least one more possible explanation why the CD is being prepared... hmmm... SAM? But who knows...

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This could suggest that OS4 is not going to be shipped with SAM (and this is rather not true).

Why not?

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Modern Retro Experience

Because since the very beginning SAM was to be sold with OS4 (AFAIR).

@mailman

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Because since the very beginning SAM was to be sold with OS4 (AFAIR).

That's not how I remember it.

(IMHO):
Since the very beginning SAM was to be sold. Period. But there were also ideas for it being sold with aos4 from the start, but A^3 appears to in no way be dependent on A.Inc for the sale of their product.

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@mailman

sure, but the same boxed CD version might be sold solely or bundled with SAM as well.

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@Insanity

If you are correct (and I remember wrong) then it seems in some way reasonable. I guess time will tell what is behind all of this. Though it makes SAM+OS4 quite expensive toy.

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@stew

And what actual differnce would that make ?

-They are (or were) under contract from AInc to create an AmigaOS.
-They did have the sources.
-Their OS is Amiga-compatible (to some extent)

Any hostile-takeover from Hyperion could be shut down by AInc asking a judge for a cease&desist.

While it might be that Hyperion can win this, how long do you think it would take ?

So whatever the solution to the OS4-situation is, this ain't it.

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- blame Canada

Interesting. I thought things had stoped or just about stoped on the OS4 front. Looks like after the final OS4 release, things might continue to slowly plod along. Interesting.

Q: Are 680x0 programs 100% compatible with OS4?

A: Well, everything is emulated, you can basically just run a 68k program like you run a native program. Some have trouble with JIT, you can blacklist those to prevent them from going through the JIT.

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@Skunkfish

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I would assume that both AmigaOne and Classic versions will be on the same CD as it makes sense from a cost point of view.

It would make more business sense, ie raise more funds, if the two were kept seperate. That way you would have to buy a copy (license) for each PPC capable machine. In the same way that if you have more that one PC, you have paid for more than one copy of windows.

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A1XEG3-800 [IBM 750FX PowerPC], running OS4.1FE, using ac97 onboard sound.

"There are 10 types of people in the world: those who understand binary, and those who don't."

@ Rogue

"physical CD (with manual IIRC)"

Are you talking about a printed manual or PDF files? Different languages?