Great move DFX ! Let's hope someone's still out there.

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great initiative., short of doing it yourself this is the best thing you could do.

although opera is actually faster it is harder to mod and won't allow me to customize the menus as I want to. Firefox for the win.

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Dear DiscreetFX Partners,

Since a Firefox port to anything Amiga will never, ever happen, and since there *are* other, similar projects going on (at least on MorphOS scene) that is actually nearing completion at this point, and since you now shows some kind of a will to re-think and re-route the resources collected in the Amizilla Bounty, I have a suggestion:

Why not go all the way and open up the bounty for *any* modern CSS capable browser released for the above mentioned Amiga Operating Systems?

For instance; the first team or individual that manage to bring a 2007 level web browser to MorphOS will be able to cash in the MorphOS part, the first who brings a 2007 level web browser to OS4 will be able to cash in the OS4 part, etc. How does that sound?

As long as Martin "Marcik" it is developing Sputnik Browser also for AmigaOS...

And

As long as Andrea "Afxgroup" it is about to release Firefox for AmigaOS 4.0 thru X11 Cygnix and he is starting developing OWB Browser (SDL based Browser)...

Then

Soon we will have a winner in this competition...

Both solutions feature a very viable modern browser.


- Browser from Marcik it could became available to any Amiga platform as long as any platform version of MUI it is updated.


- Andrea he is porting even the TRUE Firefox...

Then making a wrapper will be enough to get Firefox running native into AmigaOS.


- OWB Browser it is based mainly on SDL, and there are versions of SDL for any Amiga platform... Porting it on any Amiga will be easy.


Either of the two programmers could claim for the bounty...


Splitting the Bounty IMHO at this final point of development stage seems to me a bad move.

Any developer could be disappointed after all this hard work...


Winner is the winner... No time for second ones, as like as the "Queen" musical group said...

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If I was was of Discreet FX, I had splitted the bounty this way:

50% of the bounty to the first to finish a modern browser, and complete with all features required nowadays (HTML 4.0 and CSS)...

Mozilla, Firefox it should be not an obliged solution to win the bounty.

(We must enter the idea that Mozilla or its counterpart Firefox it is not an obliged solution, but just "THE NAME" of the browser)

30% of the bounty to second one...

15% of the bounty to third programmer to realize a modern browser for Amiga.

5% of the bounty to the first programmer to create modern plug-ins...

And perhaps now it is time to create and add more and more cash to JAVA bounty and to FLASH Player bounty.

These standard language and programs are also required as long as as it is required a modern browser!

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great idea but why not give 50% of the bounty to amigaos3.1 since this port is probably the most likely to work on os4 and mos.

@takemehomegrandma

Yes I agree! It should be extended beyond Mozilla (Firefox) because this restriction does not inspire other ports, while the Mozilla port is just too huge for almost all of us.

But as lionstorm said: Giving more to an OS3 port that all of us benefit from as a start may be a good idea. But on the other hand, there are more active developers on OS4/MOS and AROS only has developers I guess, so we (non-OS3) devs may feel neglected and uninspired by getting a smaller sum by developing for the future systems.

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I don't agree that the bounty should be extended beyond mozilla/firefox

Sputnik is already covered by a bounty
Extending the bounty merely ensures we only get one browser

Noel

@takemehomegrandma
It is not appropriate to take other people's money and change the way the bounty work after they have contributed. We should have learned that from the Sputnik fiasco...

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Why not go all the way and open up the bounty for *any* modern CSS capable browser released for the above mentioned Amiga Operating Systems?

First, I think that any significant changes to the bounty should be approved by those who put money into it, or anyone disagreeing with the changes should be offered a refund.

I'm not a fan of Konquerer, and so assume I would not be a fan of other browsers related to its engine. The browsers based on that don't interest me due to failures on certain sites. I like KDE and use it both at home and at work, but I never use its browser, I only use Firefox because that has not failed on the sites that Konqueror fails on. perhaps we Amiga users would suffer many such site failures due to lack of plugins like flash or Java, but I just see Firefox/Mozilla as the most compatible base to start with. I also really like some of their expansion scripts such as NoScript, FlashBlock for ads, video downloaders, weather forecast bar, etc.

I am a littlel concerned about splitting the bounty as DiscreetFX described. As they say:
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While it will be less money to the winner, if they are able to port to their favorite system it will mean that the technical difficulty's that some have complained about porting to 3.X are now removed. Also we believe that once one port is complete the others will fall into place.

Previously, the guy that did the enormous amount of work to remove those techical difficulties and prepare things for the other ports to fall into place will now receive 1/4 of the reward originally offered. And now that the other ports are "easy", that relatively little effort will receive much of the reward of the first guy's heavy lifting. Sorry, but that situation would actually end up demotivating me if I was trying to be that first guy. I hope DiscreetFX reconsiders this change, because we don't want to be aggravating anyone who is seriously working on the big job. Maybe it'd be nice to save some small percent for piggy-back ports after the first is done, but as the first one carries such a large burden of work, I think it's unfair to chop his promised reward by this much.

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I applaud you on this. This is what we want to see from companies involved in the Amiga community. Initiative! This seems much more realistic. If nothing else a new approach was obviously needed and making a decision to try something else is good stuff in my book.

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@billt

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Previously, the guy that did the enormous amount of work to remove those techical difficulties and prepare things for the other ports to fall into place will now receive 1/4 of the reward originally offered. And now that the other ports are "easy", that relatively little effort will receive much of the reward of the first guy's heavy lifting. Sorry, but that situation would actually end up demotivating me if I was trying to be that first guy.

No one has made this port in what, over four years? Why? Because one guy had to make it work on everything or there needed to be a team that did not exist. If a couple of smart programmers want to team up now they can make 3 out of the 4 versions to get 75 percent of the money or 2 out of the 4 to get 50 percent. The hurdle has been no one could manage 4 out of 4 by a long shot.

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No one has made this port in what, over four years? Why? Because one guy had to make it work on everything or there needed to be a team that did not exist. If a couple of smart programmers want to team up now they can make 3 out of the 4 versions to get 75 percent of the money or 2 out of the 4 to get 50 percent. The hurdle has been no one could manage 4 out of 4 by a long shot.

I never thought the bounty required 4/4 Amiga OS/alikes to be supported. Reading amizilla.net again just now I still do not see that requirement. I see a request for at least a beta of it on "AmigaOS", just the browser part not even including email etc. features. In the FAQ I see "the spec I would like to see is Amiga OS 3.9 and above and/or WinUAE/Amiga Forever/Amithlon/AROS/MorphOS." Nowhere have I found something saying that in order to win the entire bounty you must port to OS3.X AND port to OS4 AND port to MorphOS AND port to AROS, all four, to win the bounty. If that was changed previously it does not seem to have made it to their web page description.

Ah, never mind, just found the 4/4 requirement on the Guidelines page there. Strange that the main page and the FAQ do not mention this, and seem to only require one port to win.

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I'm not a fan of Konquerer, and so assume I would not be a fan of other browsers related to its engine. The browsers based on that don't interest me due to failures on certain sites.

Just to clarify - since, iirc, 2003 when apple did safari development of konqueror and webkit has very little in common and those engines are very different now. It may change soon as kde folks are working on unity project which allows kde to use webkit branch. Anyway - just wanted to say that sputnik engine != konqueror engine.

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just wanted to say that sputnik engine != konqueror engine.

Duly noted. But without an opportunity to see it in action, all I can do is make assumptions about its historical relationship to Konqueror. I don't use Safari for exactly the same reasons, and use Firefox on my iBook as well. I do hope to see Sputnik someday, hopefully he's well on his way to cashing out the OS4 bounty for that which filled up so quickly when he requested it, otherwise I may never know if it's "better" than Konqueror or not.

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Yes - Very Unethical & Illegal
Please revert back to 100% FireFox for Amiga OS 4, ASAP.

Don't be a thief... People have already started with $10,000.00+ as there agreed reward.
Eventually we will get it on other systems.

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Yes - Very Unethical & Illegal Please revert back to 100% FireFox for Amiga OS 4, ASAP. Don't be a thief... People have already started with $10,000.00+ as there agreed reward. Eventually we will get it on other systems

It wasn't 100 percent for Amiga OS 4 in the first place. Either you are confused or trying to cause trouble where none exists.



Guideline #3 was already:

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The AmiZilla Project must fully compile with running binaries on each of the following Amiga-like OS's: OS3.1, OS3.5+, MorphOS native version, Amiga OS 4.0 native version, UAE, Amithlon, DraCo. (Hint: don't hit the hardware, and stick to OS3.1: MUI, ClassAct 2, some internal gadget system, and bgui are acceptable). -etc.

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Don't be a thief... People have already started with $10,000.00+ as there agreed reward. Eventually we will get it on other systems.

He is not being a thief, the original goal was 4 executables with all the source to get the 10K+, the goal now is 1 executable is worth 1/4 each. That original design has been alot of the problem getting people to work on it, because 4 working versions were needed. Now, someone can work on finishing the AROS version or the MOS version or the OS 4 version and not have 3 more versions looming over there head before they get paid. I also disagree with the call by others to divide it up differently then even quarters. This way, the MOS team and the AROS team and the OS 4 are likely to work together because completion of one group doesnt impact the money for the other if the one who completes it first gets 40 or 50 percent helping another group is much less likely because you will want your group to get done first so you get the larger prize.
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May I suggest something: Instead of porting just one GNU-based application, wouldn't it be much better to port an entire GNU runtime enivonment, including an emulation for the X11 libraries? Then, all the tools would be in place to port all sorts of GNU-based applications.

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Poster: meet.mrnrg Date: 28-Sep-2007 11:18:05 Yes - Very Unethical & Illegal Please revert back to 100% FireFox for Amiga OS 4, ASAP. Don't be a thief... People have already started with $10,000.00+ as there agreed reward. Eventually we will get it on other systems.

Not just unethical, the required hardwork to get the port to talk to the AOS3.1 API is staggering. The goal should have been an AOS3.1 API compatible Firefox port in the first place. And just compile clean on one AOS 3.1 compatible platform. And no one has all 4 platforms up and running, it would be free money for another random developer who just did a recompile.

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People have already started with $10,000.00+ as there agreed reward.

Did the bounty start at $10,000?