Hi Vox

For now I just encourage people to donate to stuff that is actively developed.
Amigabounty will be back with bounties in the new year but the projects that are discussed need careful consideration, they are all very big (but needed) projects.

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Maybe I'm wrong, but I think that Flash is far more important than Java (Javascript
is another thing and doesn't need Java support at all) in nowadays internet...

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@Andres
(sent you a pm earlier)

Flash support via Gnash would probably be much easier than getting JAVA but to say it is more important depends on who you are
For entertainment purpose Flash would be cool but JAVA would also be really nice.

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@Troels
Yes, thanks, I've read it...

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Sad news... Really Marcik wont gon on on Sputnik development fo OS4? Any post from him here?

Sure, now without money for sure, he is as is

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PS Maybe we can have a FlashPlayer plugin Bounty????? there's anything around that can be ported?

Oh yes, just wait another 4-5 years, mentime use Flash Player on Microsoft Windows

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@vox
There is alledged to be a primitive/unfinished "MosEmu" (similar to OS4Emu on MOS), but it has never been released. IMHO it would improve co-operation between OS4 & MOS, and thus benefit Amiga-like OSes (against Windows/Linux/etc), but at lot of people seem to get very upset about these things, usually because they misunderstand what those programs do.

edit: Note that "MosEmu" would NOT help run Sputnik, since it would use MUI v3 instead of MUI v4, just like "OS4Emu" uses ClassAct instead of Reaction (which is kind of ClassAct v2).

Last edited by ChrisH on 28-Dec-2008 at 05:37 PM.

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I think it is best this way for everyone. Marcin was never motivated to work on the OS4 port of Sputnik, and even if he would finish a port eventually, we wouldn't see updates very often, even the MorphOS version is progressing very slowly. And at least Marcin can now use all his spare time to develop the MorphOS version, so this will also be good for the MorphOS community. In the meantime, we have two very promising browser projects being very actively worked on for OS4: OWB and NetSurf, so let's support those two as much as we can.

@Troels
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Flash support via Gnash would probably be much easier than getting JAVA but to say it is more important depends on who you are For entertainment purpose Flash would be cool but JAVA would also be really nice.

Joerg told me that Gnash is pretty much useless as it does not support the current version of the Flash standard, and he is right, I didn't have much luck with browsers on LinuxPPC on things like YouTube or viewing XMas flash cards. Gnash needs to be brought up to date with the Flash standard, before it would be worth the effort of porting over.

Having a Java VM would be a very good thing to have, but JIT is a must. Most of the work is porting over the standard packages, which all Java apps rely on. I haven't checked how Java is implemented on Linux, but if the Java packages are already implemented on top of GTK for instance, then porting GTK would not only give us a working Java VM on OS4, but also a handful of other, really important applications. If I had the spare time for porting things, GTK would be the first thing I would start on.

I already donated to OWB, but i'm happy to convert my old donation too! NetSurf and OWB are very promising, i use OWB everyday.

I will not miss Sputnik anyway

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@Cobra

I couldn't be bothered to install Linuc PPC on m A1 to test Gnash, I might do a small test on a windows machine if I get the time.
I knew it only supported Flash until v7 (IIRC) but not that it was completely useless. I was told recently that it worked fine with youtube and other video streaming services

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@Cobra
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Joerg told me that Gnash is pretty much useless as it does not support the current version of the Flash standard, and he is right, I didn't have much luck with browsers on LinuxPPC on things like YouTube or viewing XMas flash cards. Gnash needs to be brought up to date with the Flash standard, before it would be worth the effort of porting over.

I use the x86-version with Debian, and it does work just fine.
No problems with YouTube, or such.
Is the PPC-version really so much behind?

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@tomazkid

I very much doubt gnash is the only flash plugin you have installed. Adobe has a linux version of it's flash plugin, I'm guessing you installed that somewhere.

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- Flash support (and this is the biggest problem: let's put money for it...)

You can put as much money as you want, this isn't going to happen anytime soon. Flash is closed source. There is an open source implementation, but seeing how fast new versions of Flash are released you won't have a usable flash player this way...

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If somehow MOS - OS4 converting could be made easier or emualtion made possibile by a extra layer with benefit of both OSes (eventualy evolving to real OS 5).

Real problem is not the difficulty to port between both OSs. The real problem is that we have two incompatible OSs doing the exact same thing, implementing again and again the same things. And people waste time and money writing code.

Yes: MorphOS & OS4 are two AmigaNG OSs, having the very same apps, the almost very same APIs... Yes, the last one is based on the original sources, the other one is not. But this doesn't change anything.

Now that's the only true waste. And that's sad... How many more apps could we have by doubling the number of developers, users, etc.. ?

Oh, and I forgot to add: developping the very same hardware as well... Wouldn't be that fun otherwise...

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@ChrisH
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IMHO it would improve co-operation between OS4 & MOS...

IMHO there isn't any "co-operation" so you are basically multiplying by zero to get zero. AmigaOS and MorphOS are two totally independent and diverging operating systems. Any attempts to shackle them together is totally counter-productive and silly.

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ssolie:
Just because you seem to hate MorphOS more than anything,
doesn't mean that everyone else thinks that way.

Cooperation is what has been needed all along.

@Zerohero
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I very much doubt gnash is the only flash plugin you have installed. Adobe has a linux version of it's flash plugin, I'm guessing you installed that somewhere.

As I remember, I have only done the "apt-get install gnash", and not anything from Adobe.
The Debian version I run is Lenny btw, if that has anything to do with it.

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@ ssolie:
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AmigaOS and MorphOS are two totally independent and diverging operating systems. Any attempts to shackle them together is totally counter-productive and silly.

Because what you're say is silly it doesn't make it any more truthfull...

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@tomazkid

You can install the adobe version via Iceweasel's own interface. It searches for a plugin and installs it, easy as that. My guess is that you did that at one point in time...

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You can put as much money as you want, this isn't going to happen anytime soon. Flash is closed source.

Adobe have released documentation for both Flash and Air support.

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