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News   News : Review of AmigaOS 4.1 Update 1 / Interview with Simon Archer
   posted by Daff on 23-Feb-2010 15:03:46 (20700 reads)
The magazine Obligement published today the review of AmigaOS 4.1 Update 1, the latest version of the Amiga operating system for AmigaOne (XE, SE, MicroA1), Sam440ep/Flex and Pegasos II.

This review come with an interview with Simon Archer, one of the AmigaOS 4.x developers.


- Review of AmigaOS 4.1 Update 1 (french) :
http://obligement.free.fr/articles/amigaos41_update1.php
- Interview with Simon Archer (french) :
http://obligement.free.fr/articles/itwarcher.php
- Interview with Simon Archer (english) :
http://obligement.free.fr/articles_traduction/itwarcher_en.php
    

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I liked Rigo's answers and some them actually made me laugh a little. I don't see what all the fuss is about.

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Nice to see my videos being linked to :)

@rigo

now we are all trying to work out who makes up the elite 3% lol

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He sounds like someone who's dreaming of trolls....if 97% here is trolls then i can understand why.....haha

Grow up yourself Simon......there is no trolls....they don't excist!


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@Glen

I agree that 97% is almost the same as "everyone". AOS4 developers should care more about their customers. Amigaland used to be a friendly place.
(ignoring the old fight against common enemies, Atari and Winhell)


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AOS4 developers should care more about their customers.


No, they should have a marketing departement for that. Developers should stick to what they know and do best, write code, not PR or writing in forums.


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Q: In a 1997 issue of the magazine CU Amiga, we have discovered "Suzanne", your highly customized Amiga 600. Could you tell us the story behind this computer project ?

A:The answers to these questions are still the same as they are in that text, it seems pointless to repeat it all again here.


That ought to be one of the most pointless answers, ever...

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one of the most pointless answers, ever...

uh, what's your point


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@rigo

>97% of the people in this coomunity can go and catch fire as far as I'm concerned, I know who I'd want holding my extinguisher if push comes to shove.

Great, then there will be no one to buy anything you guys produce.....
Very nice of you.

Why don't you quit doing anything Amiga related ? That would make your life alot better as far I understand. I wouldn't bother anymore if I felt that way about things I was doing.

Realy, you said that the 'community' needed to grow up ? Set the example then !
What kind of rubbish interview was that anyway.
Answering like 'What a #### question, I dont want to answer that, dont waste my time !'

I thought quite high of you, but not so much anymore. Not that you care......

Martin

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@Metalheart

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Why don't you quit doing anything Amiga related ?


I sure hope not. Codebench is one of the best IDE's (possibly the best) for any amiga platform, and it is evolving very nicely. I give Simon great respect for that.

Edited to add: But I agree for sure that a more positively given interview would probably have given a better vibe for the crowd.

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I also thought Simon's answers seemed surly and cross, but I didn't dare say anything. I'm glad I'm not the only one. Some other interviews were the same way, specifically a certain guy writing a web browser who got $20,000 from us. Maybe Americans don't understand the European way of talking. I got three things from Simon: he seems to be a programmer working on a large project (like lots of other people), he's a beta-tester, and he's ticked at "the community". As far as "the community", the reaction has been mostly positive except for a couple of people who definitely don't speak for us. If A-Eon wants a sincere show of appreciation, they will deliver a product that people can spend their money on. That's the way customers show appreciation to a company. I'm putting away some money now, and if it turns out to be a good product that offers more than my micro, I will buy it.


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@ thinkchip : Quote:
Some other interviews were the same way, specifically a certain guy writing a web browser who got $20,000 from us.

Actually he had not...
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Maybe Americans don't understand the European way of talking.

While European at heart I don't see in him any European way of talking whatsoever...
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If A-Eon wants a sincere show of appreciation, they will deliver a product that people can spend their money on. That's the way customers show appreciation to a company.

That works this side of the Ocean too! ;)


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####ing of the 'community' isn't a smart thing to do, is it ?

97 percent ? Come on !!! It might be closer the other way around. And catching fire ?? -insert bad swear word here-
My sister in law had a very bad burning accident last week. Maybe thats it ? I don't know...

I think he might have had an 'off' day though....

This realy piissed me off ! Even as it wasn't personal for me.

sigh....

ps, maybe it was personal......

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So being a complete douchebag to all but say 200 or so of the end-users is a good idea in a microscopic market like this why again?

Makes me all the happier that the FPGA Arcade boards w/AGA support are coming out, I tell you what.


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I think he might have had an 'off' day though


Not likely... you'd need a sack full of King Edwards to make a chip the size of the one he has had on his shoulders! He had the same attitude on the OS4 betatest mailing list, I wasn't the only one to notice it, and it's now obviously spilling out into forums and interviews.

Anyway, we're giving far too much publicity and precious time to someone who has openly stated he'd care less to see 97% of this community go up in a ball of flames?

Must be all of the jellied eels... C'est la vie!


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@rigo

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I'm not here to make friends, the questions were answered honestly, not to make people happy. 97% of the people in this coomunity can go and catch fire as far as I'm concerned, I know who I'd want holding my extinguisher if push comes to shove.


You have every right to your opinion and I can appreciate honesty but lets face it this is only going to inflame (no pun intended) people more. My wife occasionally works with burn victims and used to do so full time. Its not pretty. If you can't stand to be more tactful please take a breather and don't respond for a while instead PLEASE. Yes the community is a bloody mess lacking manners in general beyond belief. It sucks big time. I'm amazed you guys manage to bother still and I thank you for it. A lot of people do also. It can't be easy. But this just makes it worse.


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Like I said in another thread to OPI, It's easy here to become the devil you are normally fighting.

I can imagine reading 30 pages threads about "X1000 is vapourware" and the like instead of some appreciation and much needed positivity makes one sour.

I have never been in a scene with so much open negativity written in public forums, and it's really sometimes hard for me to justify spending time here and going on coding for Amiga, because I feel there is too much "bad Voodoo/Karma" being spilt here.

When I imagine being in Simons place, doing all this stuff for Amiga OS, and reading threads here day after day, where people openly attack your (probably much underpaid) work, I can easily understand why he is kind of riled up.

So, cut him some slack.

(plus: i can count the amount of reasonable, funny and cool people(you know who you are ;) ) here on my two hands fingers, so, 97% may be a little overboard, but not completely out of bounds, if you count all of the Amigarelated boards. )

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He can be ####ed off, but what he said, bothers me deeply.
And if he hates the Amiga 'community' so much, go and find greener pastures.
Or let the MINORITY of moaners be, and focus on something more possitive.

And if you don't want to give an interview, DONT ! Jeez, I'm still ####ed.

Oh, btw, Rigo.. I reported you ! You can't just say things like you did.


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@Metalheart

I can't disagree with you. But anyone upset by what he said can show the biggest reaction if they wish by simply withholding support as users.

The endless discord only helps to continually devolve the community, at some point there will be nothing left if we don't each take steps to stop the cycle.

If Rigo thinks 97 percent of folks can #### off he is probably better served by happily serving the 3 percent he is ok with.

And users are probably better off taking what he said in, pondering it, and then deciding how they will vote with their wallet.


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Maybe Americans don't understand the European way of talking.


Hell, we don't even understand our way of talking.

Yadda, yadda,yadda. What the heck is that.

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I wonder who's the 3% is
Perhaps we should create a POLL.

Are you one of Rigo's chosen ones (3%)
__YES
__NO

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I really wish you a better day tomorrow


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