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News   News : Review of AmigaOS 4.1 Update 1 / Interview with Simon Archer
   posted by Daff on 23-Feb-2010 15:03:46 (20428 reads)
The magazine Obligement published today the review of AmigaOS 4.1 Update 1, the latest version of the Amiga operating system for AmigaOne (XE, SE, MicroA1), Sam440ep/Flex and Pegasos II.

This review come with an interview with Simon Archer, one of the AmigaOS 4.x developers.


- Review of AmigaOS 4.1 Update 1 (french) :
http://obligement.free.fr/articles/amigaos41_update1.php
- Interview with Simon Archer (french) :
http://obligement.free.fr/articles/itwarcher.php
- Interview with Simon Archer (english) :
http://obligement.free.fr/articles_traduction/itwarcher_en.php
    

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@Tomas No I don't like censorship nor do I care about the feelings of Hyperion I would just like people here to be a bit more respectful towards the companies that actually delivers (be it MOS, AROS, AMIGA) on their promises. I don't like stuff like claims that the X1000 is vapour, that Hyperion hates everyone in the community etc. and there are tons of comments like that around here. I think it's close to being trolling and at lest it's counter productive and not what Aw.net was intended to be about. Trolling by 97% of the community.... I can't remember I ever claimed that, neither do I think it's true.

Yeah.. but you yet seem to defend his statement where he said 97% could burn for all he care, even though most of those 97% are supportive the project and team. It is far less respectful to make such generalizing comments about most of the amiga community. I personally feel very offended by that statement even though i dont feel like i ever acted like a troll.

You just dont go around saying such stuff about customers or potential customers.

I spent loads of money on their products and yet get such comments thrown at me.

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such comments thrown at me

How do you know, that you are part of the 97%? Maybe you are part of the 3%? Maybe this is one of the last riddles mankind has to solve.


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How do you know, that you are part of the 97%? Maybe you are part of the 3%? Maybe this is one of the last riddles mankind has to solve.

I am sure i made it into the 97% after posting comments about this interview even if i was among the 3% before.

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I must say I found it to be a tough interview but.........

I then looked at all 6 of the videos about OS4 as demonstrated by Simon Archer and found him to be a passionate, knowledgeable and articulate member of this enormous undertaking.

To me this was an exciting and unexpected presentation by a real and current Amiga programer of the best OS I have ever used.

I eagerly await the development of the latest hardware to run it on.....

The videos can be found on page 1 of this thread at post #17. Worth a look if you missed it.

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Although it was a poor-ish interview, and an even worse clarification (97%), I think some of the over-reactions in this thread kind of prove Simon's point about some needing to grow-up...

At least, they seem like over-reactions to me, because this is how I view & interpret his interview & follow-up:

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* Hello Simon. Can you introduce yourself ?

My name is Simon Archer and I'm a UK based Amiga addict.

* When and how did you discover the Amiga ?

It all started many moons ago with a friend of mine that has a suped-up A500. That led me to buying one, and from then on I was hooked.

* Which computers / operating systems / consoles do you own and use ?

I have a WinXP box which does my everyday tasks, plus a MicroA1, Sam440ep and my AmigaOne XE.

* What are your favorite activities on Amiga ?

Amiga for me is a programming platform, that's all I use it for.


Well , all of these answers are clear & nothing wrong with them...

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* In a 1997 issue of the magazine CU Amiga, we have discovered "Suzanne", your highly customized Amiga 600. Could you tell us the story behind this computer project ?

The answers to these questions are still the same as they are in that text, it seems pointless to repeat it all again here.


I guess Rigo was feeling a bit tired when being interviewed, or else didn't feel like talking about something that he long-ago stopped working on (and maybe not even thought about in years). Not an ideal answer, but not terrible.

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* Have you continued your work on this Amiga portable ? Do you still use it ?

No, and no.

* Have you tried to make an Amiga laptop with other models ? For exemple a MicroA1 ?

I thought about it, then decided against it.


A little more detail would have been nice, but I guess this subject doesn't interest him, and he was feeling tired on the day of the interview...

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* Do you think an Amiga laptop will be built one day ?

I'm sure that depends on whether someone comes forward with the capital to do it, but looking at the response of "the community" towards the efforts of A-Eon, I doubt it will ever happen.


I would agree this is a bit worrying (for him personally but NOT for Hyperion) since he seems to remember the few (often vocal) complainers & trolls far more than all the positive responses. But it also shows some of those who post here need to be more careful about what they post - people (including OS4 devs) may find off-hand negative comments more hurtful than the posters realise.

Or maybe he had been expecting that "the community" would rally around the X1000 with 100% positive support. That would sadly have been quite unrealistic, particularly given this site caters to OS3, AROS & MOS users, in addition to the OS4 users. Not to mention that he knows far more about the X1000/MAP project than we do, so different interpretations are bound to happen.

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* You're the developer of AmiUpdate, an updating system for AmigaOS 4.x. Could you present this software and its main features ?

Sure, www.amiupdate.net gives you all the info you need, again repeating it here is pointless.


Well, I now wonder if he missed the point of a being interviewed - which is to answer questions & hopefully get a bit of positive PR... I'm sure he could have given a little bit of info. So, not a good answer, but not exactly terrible.

Either that, or he was simply too damn busy to feel like giving detailed answers to questions which could be answered elsewhere. But if that was the case, he really shouldn't have consented to be interviewed in the first place...

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* Your current big project is named CodeBench. Could you present it ?

CodeBench came about because the only other software available to OS4 users was difficult to set up with the current SDK etc. I wanted to create something that fitted in better with the Amiga way of working, and a GUI which didn't look like it had been borrowed from some other operating system. The first lines of code was written in 2006, and after a short time it was long before I was building the software in the software I was building. :)

* What are the current key features ? And which new features do you plan to add in the future versions ?

As with any project of this size, features are never set, there's always something else to add. Now that the Hollywood 4 version is out, I suppose the next thing is to start expanding the range of plugins again.

* It seems a CodeBench will be commercial. What is the expected prize ? Do you plan to make a MorphOS/AROS/AmigaOS 3.x version ?

The completed version will be commercial, yes. The two public versions that are available now are limited in various ways, and they can only be used with one project type. As for porting to other systems, I doubt that is ever going to happen, I have put a lot of work into the BOOPSI gadgets within AmigaOS 4 in order to support functionality I need, and as these classes are not available on the Amiga-like systems, it makes a port impossible.


Good answers, and the sort that we would have liked instead of a few of the other terse replies.

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* What would you need to make developping easier on Amiga ? As an example, something that would allow to develop faster.

Ultimately, someone else to do it!

* What is your opinion about the AmigaOS 4 SDK ?

A proper debugger is something that is sorely needed, and is something I have been trying to write for ages, but my motivation for it is very low.

* You are one of the main beta testers of the AmigaOS 4.1 Update 1. Since when are you a member of the AmigaOS team and a betatester ?

2003 if memory serves me correctly.


These were short answers, but that was all he could do given the questions. So reasonable answers.

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* How big is the betatesters team ?

It's not about size, it's about the quality. A team of 500 useless testers is nowhere near as efficient as a team of 20 red-hot ones.


Insightful, if short. Pretty good answer I think.

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* In the betatest phase of the AmigaOS 4.1 Update 1, which new features/tools/libraries were particulary hard (or annoying) to betatest ?

I don't really understand the motive behind this question. Testing something is about a series of logical steps in order to cover all aspects of functionality. There is no "degree of difficulty" simply a matter of logic.


There is obviously a difference of opinion about testing between Rigo & the questioner, which is hardly his fault. Not an ideal answer, but it seems unavoidable in this case...

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* Apart your work on betatest, what have you done in the system ?

My contribution extends to a few parts of the system, but if I told you what that was, you'd have someone to blame! :)


This seems a jokey & light-hearted answer, although a little short on actual details. Probably a proper answer would have been too long, since he has worked on "(quite?) a few parts of the system".

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* Users wait new features like a new shell, a new Workbench, USB 2.0 support or better 3D drivers. Do you know if these new features will be in the next release of the system ?

I don't even know when the next update will be, let alone what's going to be in it.


An honest, if slightly blunt answer. An exclamation mark (and maybe a smiley) might have ensured his answer was taken as it was intended, since otherwise some might interpreted it as grumpy.

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* At the Colmar Multimédia Expo 2008, you wrote a driver for touchscreen. Will this driver will available one day ?

Technically there's nothing stopping it being available today, but unless you have the same touchscreen unit, it won't do you any good. All the touchscreen units I have come across have been vendor-specific, and different in their operation, so each device needs a dedicated driver.

* What is your opinion about the AmigaOne X1000 ?

Lovely.


Good answers!


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* A last message for the Amiga community ?

Honestly? "Grow up!", it's like a nursery school in those forums most days.


This is obviously what turned a so-so interview (some good answers & some not so good) into something controversial & upset a few people.

But IMHO his point is clear - the forums (I guess he is mainly thinking of AmigaWorld) are an extremely noisy place, with people saying & doing all sorts of random things, and more often than desirable silly fights over entirely pointless things. Personally I think he should just learn to live with how things are (and avoid it if he doesn't feel like dealing with it), rather than being upset by it - or worse, taking a holier-than-thou attitude.

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I'm not here to make friends, the questions were answered honestly, not to make people happy. 97% of the people in this coomunity can go and catch fire as far as I'm concerned, I know who I'd want holding my extinguisher if push comes to shove.


And this is obviously what turned a (now) controversial interview into something quite inflamatory & upset even more people.

Surely he didn't *intend* it to be offensive - I think he was trying to say that he simply doesn't pay attention to 97% of the noise coming from "nursery school", and instead gets on with what he thinks is important for OS4. Which I think is a pretty reasonable attitude, and I probably lean in that direction myself (on my comparitively small programs).

Sadly the way he phrased this reply was quite bad - obviously a lot of people interpreted it differently to what he intended, and took offence to it. So IMHO he should apologise for phrasing it badly, even if what he said was misinterpreted.

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@Chris
Basically it was just a boring interview that people read to much into. Rigo's comment here was also (deliberately, to stir things up?) misinterpreted as people DESERVES to burn.


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In retrospect,i agree with you


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I sometimes asked Rigo about problems I had and he was incredibly patient in helping me out, he is a very nice guy.
The interview was boring and he probably must have felt tired about a "thing or two" but again this all thread turned in the usual much ado for nothing...


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@Rigo

Thank you for many good answers!

Regarding the "grow up" comment, I agree.
There are a few individuals here that really needs to grow up.
But I am not sure that growing up will actually make them less of a troll

Regarding the 3% vs 97%
When I read comments, dialogues and argumentations, it can somtimes feel as if the trolls and the flamebaiters are taking up 97% of my energy.
This is of course a bit exaggerated, but still, they do take positive energy from my reading, so I can definitely relate to this statement.

Keep up the good work!

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@ChrisH
The part that bothered me most was the last answer in the interview and the comment he made here about those 97%.
I also felt he had a negative tone in most of the responses in that interview as well, but that did not really too much. The reason i even bothered to post about it was due to that last answer and that comment.

I respect his work as a programmer, but find those comments really insulting. I think this is sinking to the same levels of the trolls.

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Regarding the "grow up" comment, I agree. There are a few individuals here that really needs to grow up.

Eh? So you think it is actually okay to tell the whole community to grow up when it is infact only a few individuals who have been trolling.
Even amigaworld has thousands of members and most of these members has not said anything negative about either hyperion, x1000 or os 4.x and yet they are told to grow up??

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Eh? So you think it is actually okay to tell the whole community to grow up when it is infact only a few individuals who have been trolling. Even amigaworld has thousands of members and most of these members has not said anything negative about either hyperion, x1000 or os 4.x and yet they are told to grow up??


They are being good apologist with making excuses in their own attempt to do damage control for Hyperion_A-EON. Unless Rigo was banned, he should be the one on here describing what he thinks in greater detail and not the supporters, IMO. YMMV.


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Eh? So you think it is actually okay to tell the whole community to grow up when it is infact only a few individuals who have been trolling.


Yes I think it is OK. I am a part of the community and he is right.
The community as a whole needs to grow up.
We all feed the trolls, if we all stopped feeding them, they would not rant all over the community.

I do not take his comment as a personal attack at me.
It is obvious that he does not mean "every individual in the community"

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I was trying to avoid this thread but ... that's funny


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Am I the only one who thinks a conciderable ammount of blame for all this uproar shoud lie with those that allowed this poor interview to get released in the first place. I agree simons answers werent briliant and could be interperated in such a way that would leave a bad taste in the mouth, which imo is all the more reason not to release the interview.

Simon is a developer, not a PR person.

Concerning Simons further comments, I feel he was only retaliating against the negativity generated by his poor interview. Again he isnt in the business of PR.

The interview should of been proofed with a much keener eye before release to the public. Such a shame all this ill-feeling has been kicked up as a result.

Just my 2p anyway


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