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News   News : Review of AmigaOS 4.1 Update 1 / Interview with Simon Archer
   posted by Daff on 23-Feb-2010 15:03:46 (20452 reads)
The magazine Obligement published today the review of AmigaOS 4.1 Update 1, the latest version of the Amiga operating system for AmigaOne (XE, SE, MicroA1), Sam440ep/Flex and Pegasos II.

This review come with an interview with Simon Archer, one of the AmigaOS 4.x developers.


- Review of AmigaOS 4.1 Update 1 (french) :
http://obligement.free.fr/articles/amigaos41_update1.php
- Interview with Simon Archer (french) :
http://obligement.free.fr/articles/itwarcher.php
- Interview with Simon Archer (english) :
http://obligement.free.fr/articles_traduction/itwarcher_en.php
    

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Re: Review of AmigaOS 4.1.1 / Interview with Simon Archer
Posted on 25-Feb-2010 10:29:01
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OK, check your pm. I don't want to hijack this thread in any way.


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How many more in the OS4 team want 97% of the userbase to go away?

You're kidding, aren't you? I can't image you really think 97% of the "community" is a "userbase" for OS4.x. It is not even a "potential userbase".


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@zerohero Quote:
Please PM me a list of those members, and I'll take a look. Any links to negative posts they've made would be helpful as well.

In a round-about way I wish to apologise to AmigaWorld.net (and those running it) :

I don't exactly have a little black book where I keep a track of every bad boy & everything they've done, and I certainly don't go out of my way to remember who is "good" or "bad" (as I'm not interested in people's petty disputes & hatred). But I do tend to notice patterns...

... However, intending to take you up on your offer, I went searching the forums for negative posts from people I had bad impressions of. Turns out that, at least in the last few months, all but maybe one or two of these people are NOT consistently posting mostly negative stuff, and the negative posts I remembered were basically isolated incidents (limited to one thread or otherwise understandable due to the thread's topic). A number of people seem to have reformed themselves, without my noticing (since I don't go out of my way to remember that sort of thing, as I said).

Therefore my characterisation of AmigaWorld & those running it has been out of kilter with the actual current reality (excluding one or two individual who I'll PM you about).

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@ChrisH

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Therefore my characterisation of AmigaWorld & those running it has been out of kilter with the actual current reality


Don't want to sound over confident here, but this was what I was hoping for. A big thank you for your reaction, many would not have admitted to have been wrong in such a situation.

I'd also like to point out that it's not as easy as pointing out "a few individuals" that makes all threads go downhill.

Regards,
Joachim Birging

EDIT: spelling.

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@zerohero Quote:
many would not have admitted to have been wrong in such a situation

Something I have learnt (the hard way) is that once you realise you are wrong, it is almost always best to be the first (or second) person to say so. (I usually try to avoid putting myself in a situation where I could be wrong, by only saying things I am sure of, but in this case failed.)


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I like that interview and fully understand his opinion.

I usually don't argue with people here in the community
because it's impossible to find a common ground.

Therefore, i especially appreciate the honesty expressed in
that interview.

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Poster: BillE Date: 25-Feb-2010 9:13:53

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WHERE IS THE SOFTWARE TO TAKE ADVANTAGE OF THIS AMAZING HARDWARE?

Here


Sorry got to jump that bandwagon, there some here too


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@broadblues
Not forgetting this, this, this, this, etc.

Last edited by ChrisH on 25-Feb-2010 at 02:47 PM.
Last edited by ChrisH on 25-Feb-2010 at 02:43 PM.
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This whole situation has gotten way overblown. People forget how ugly things were back when there was no hardware to buy -- before SAM -- and OS4 hadn't been released. Disappointments happened almost monthly. Promised hardware evaporated on a regular basis. People were frustrated and understandably so. Now that we have hardware readily available to buy and OS4 is looking very good, people are way less unhappy. There are really only a few very vocal individuals who are making pessimistic comments. Most are happy with even the possibility of hardware like the X1000. This non-interview with Simon never should have been made public. He acted like he didn't want to talk, which always makes a bad interview. Like a politician who will only say "No comment." We need interviews from people who know things and will answer in a professional manner and show respect for their audience. Even dropping a veiled hint of something makes "the community" very happy. In the past, the only professional and respectful interviews were from oily people trying to make us believe a bunch of lies (Amiga Inc).


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@Zerohero

Writing it like that means you can't write anything. Since some will most likely interpret that in a bad way. Some will be offended.

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No, that's not what I'm saying. We're saying people interpret things differently, and in this particular case people who have experienced bad burns would probably be very offended. While this is not specific to a foreign language, it certainly doesn't help either.


Enough about that.
But i can understand the way he reacts. There is so much negativity here.
I was thinking the other day. Seen bill and silent bob strikes back? When they read what people write about them on the net. They go and kick their asses. That could fix the problem?

I've asked simon for help on programming and he have helped me. No problem there.


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What improvements to OS4.x will there be that we would want/need new exotic expensive hardware?

There is plenty of software for AmigaOS 4.x right now that could use the power. And the more power available, the more powerful the apps can become of course. This is also a very big milestone in the history of Amiga computing. This will be the first time ever an Amiga computer running AmigaOS will be taking advantage of a multi-core architecture in Exec as well.

And before anybody nitpicks on the "Amiga" computer bit. I seem to remember the A1000 being the Commodore Amiga 1000 computer. Think of the "One" as a suffix just like "Commodore" was the prefix.


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This will be the first time ever an Amiga computer running AmigaOS will be taking advantage of a multi-core architecture in Exec as well.


An interesting snippet of information.


With regards Rigo's interview - I don't see the problem. Pointless questions were answered briefly, but personally I found quite a bit of humour in the responses. After the recent threads here and elsewhere, I can easily understand his (and others) frustrations, but hope that developers realise there are still many people who appreciate their work and others who will judge on the merits of the work and products released at the appropriate time.


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i too disapproved rigo's attitude.
if he don't care about french amiga community or
amiga community in general it would have been better to politely refuse the interview..
or have some tact and take time to explain what points in his opinion need to change ..
just tossing user base like an old sock without explanations won't help move things the way he want.
and since he accepted the interview he should have try to say things ..
give some news and info.. even on himself as an amigan or on amiga in general.
the interview was kind of empty, and left me with the feeling he just wanted to end it as quickly as possible. why accept to do an interview then ? its not like he was forced to.

i hope he will learn from that experience..

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maybe the quickier way to repair the situation would be for him to ask obligement.free.fr
to restart the interview, he apologies briefly for the previous one, and he try better this time ?

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@ssolie Quote:
This will be the first time ever an Amiga computer running AmigaOS will be taking advantage of a multi-core architecture in Exec as well.

Is this "official"? We have previously deduced that it must be the case at SOME point (why else the multi-core), but with them initially "only" porting OS4.1 to X1000, that would seem to imply that mutli-core won't be used initially...


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@freeaks
That sounds like a plan. However, it would require admitting one messed-up the previous interview... (And from a *certain* logical perspective, which he surely subscribed to at the time of the interview, he said nothing technically wrong or bad. Sadly, being logically precise in what you say does not necessarily convey your intentions, especially if you are extremely terse & avoid any smileys.)


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@ChrisH and freaks

While I think it would have been a good idea, I think Rigo made himself clear with this post, in this very thread. I think the message is quite clear.

I would also like to add that I find it strange there has not been one single attempt at damage control from Hyperion. I guess that means they think it's OK for one of the core developers (I think, at least) and beta-tester coordinator to give interviews like this.

If you ask me, it's a PR disaster, but that's me. Hyperion have just acquired full ownership of AmigaOS 4.x and are working together with a startup company to release a new computer, it doesn't take a rocket scientist to understand they need good PR...

EDIT: spelling, what else
EDIT 2: even more spelling...

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Interesting review.


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Uninteresting interview and not very nice attitude..

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very rude!!......

as a customer i am not gonna buy the x1000 thats for sure, these unproffesionals guys can keep their hobby os and expensive hobby hw

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