What is with the money of AmigaOS 4 users, which had donate allready for the previous Bounty?
That's not fair.

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Don't donate again.

We will get the needed money even if OS4 users that already contributed to Sputnik don't donate again as it was relatively few who did so.

Whether fair or not (i'm not stating my opinion here), keep in mind that YOUR donation already have helped the development of Sputnik.

MOS users have also donated to the OS4 bounty and it is very nice to see them help us.

Thanks for your donation so far and feel free to add some more if you want to

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Interesting that marcik accepts another bounty for Sputnik
when he hasn't even finished it for MorphOS.

This could mean that the final MorphOS version is close!

as far as I understand this bounty is twice the size of the original bounty.

but the work is far less challenging, how so?

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@Insanity,

Allready being discussed here.

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Fund is almost double then mos ? heeeey..... ahh i want this on os4 ;) so...... 10 Euros sent. If he manages to get it to work under os4 im really greatfull. If not i hope the money gets to other good coders. Fryingpan is a good example as its avaible for 68k/os4/mos/aros and costs the same for every person ;) Another good is Jahc with his wookiechat 68k/os4. Afxgroup with mplayer and others....

Couldn't the money for amizilla be used for this ? I dont know the situation. Maybe its on work.

I hold my thumbs for Sputnik

Last edited by Kicko on 15-Feb-2007 at 11:55 AM.

But is Sputnik any good? I'm not talking about the rendering of web pages, I'm talking about all the other tedious stuff like a good GUI, bookmarks, history, configurablity, etc. Like what IBrowse already has, and that took a long time.

Personally I'd like to see Sputnik "finished" on MOS, before he starts asking huuuge amounts of money for an OS4 port.

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But is Sputnik any good?

Most MorphOS users I talked to describe it as a "very very basic browser". Don't quote me on that, but IIRC the current public beta does not support cookies or HTML forms. In terms of functionality, IBrowse still seems to be lightyears ahead.

Keep in mind that the current version is an early beta. As the OS4 bounty description says, the final version is scheduled for end of this year.

@all:

A few things come to mind:

This is a closed source project. I'm all for supporting developers, but earning nearly 5000 EUR and keeping all rights to the resulting product strikes me as somewhat unfair. And he's got only OS4 and MorphOS covered so far - there's still some money to be made with an AROS port. Not to mention that for 1500 EUR, the MOS donators got guaranteed that the sources will be handed over to morphzone.org management if Marcik looses interest or lacks the time to continue development, while there's no such guarantee for the OS4 users - who are expected to donate twice as much.

He's a Morphos user, so the MorphOS version has a higher priority. That's fine with me, but I'd like to get an explanation why we have to pay nearly 4000 EUR (3100 EUR + free hardware) for less than the MorphOS crowd got for 1500 EUR.

Marcik has already changed his mind once about his distribution policy *after* lots of people had donated to the original MorphOS bounty. To prevent misunderstandings like that from happening again, the requirements for the OS4 port should be as precise as possible. Currently, the bounty description does not mention a minimum feature set or even a deadline for the OS4 version. It does not mention what kind of features the OS4 version would be missing if AmigaOS ports of MUI4 or TTE2 would not be available in time. It does not state if OS4 versions released *after* the original Sputnik-OS4-1.0 version will be free or not etc. etc.

Some of this might sound somewhat harsh, but please keep in mind that Sputnik has more or less turned into a commercial product - Marcik apparently wants to earn some hard cash with his browser. He's free to do so, of course, but it also means that we should treat him like any other commercial developer, not like a saviour.

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This is a closed source project. I'm all for supporting developers, but earning nearly 5000 EUR and keeping all rights to the resulting product strikes me as somewhat unfair.

Huh? Microsoft makes $billions on Windows and Office but they keep all rights to the resulting products. So do thousands of other software producers. I don't understand why this would be unfair (ie. different than anyone else) just because he's in the Amiga/-alike community.

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I believe that the objection is to the fact that his work is based upon free, open-source software, i.e., KHTML. That is, he's making money off someone else's work, who won't get a dime. However, I think that he's getting money for the work that he's doing in porting the library and building a usbale browser around it. Also, KHTML, is LGPL, therefore, he only needs to publish the source-code to the changes that he makes to KHTML itself, and everything that he lnks to it directly. IIRC, he's already done so. There's nothing stopping anyone from working on a port themselves and building their own browser around it. However, why duplicate the effort.

Hans

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Huh? Microsoft makes $billions on Windows and Office but they keep all rights to the resulting products.

Yes, but Microsoft are not operating in the Amiga market. Earning 4000 EUR by porting an existing product from one Amiga (-like) API to another is quite a handsome revenue.

Not to mention that Microsoft Office is not a frontend for OpenOffice, but a complete product developed enterily by Microsoft.

Granted - now that I read it again the term "unfair" sounds a bit too hard (sorry, Marcik), but if this bounty gets reality, Marcik will be one of the top earners in this market

He is cleaver and a j***a** at the same time ... However, I've put my 20 euro into the porting so... I got the right to say something ...

Call me stupid but I give him a (another?) chance.
With new hardware apparently coming up (sam440) I need a real browser.
Finger crossed!

On the website it currently says:
TOTAL: 462.50 EUR - (before Paypal fees)
TARGET: 3100 EUR

Is the target 3100 EUR before paypal fees as well? if not, I think you should show the real amount of money in the paypal account, minus the fees. I noticed people like Kicko donated 10 euros, but it was previously shown as about 9.11 EUR or so after fees were taken out. It might be a good idea to show the real amount so we know how much farther we have to go.

Hi Jahc
I changed it because it was easier for me to copy/paste the amount from the Paypal site this way.

The amount I agreed upon with Marcin is $4000 which is just around 3050 EUR. It was my belief that a higher percentage of the Amigans was from Europe, thats why I ask for euros and not dollars.

When/if we get close enough I will minus the Paypal fees so everyone can see exactly how much is missing. but for now the actual donations are shown, before Paypal has taken their share.

Btw. We just had a topscorer donating 100.00 EUR.

That doesn't mean everyone else should hold on to their money though. Keep'em coming.. please :)

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Hi Jahc I changed it because it was easier for me to copy/paste the amount from the Paypal site this way. When/if we get close enough I will minus the Paypal fees so everyone can see exactly how much is missing. but for now the actual donations are shown, before Paypal has taken their share.

Okay :)

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Btw. We just had a topscorer donating 100.00 EUR.

Thats awesome. I knew we would have a few people donating much more than the suggested 10 EUR which would help make up for the low number of donators.

The key will be publicity, I believe A.Org still needs this as a news item!

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I just had a thought ... what about an OS3 version? or is that pushing it? :)

@Troels

I try to donate to all OS4.0 software projects and have prevously donated to Amizilla. I will donate towards sputnik as well.

TrevorDick

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Hm just 460¤ within 15 days will be hard to reach the full amount of 3100 ¤.