@Rogue:

Heh. Occasionally, it is important to remember the words of Mark Twain: "Never argue with a fool; people might not know the difference."

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I suppose there will be an appropriate press release on the web site, but honestly, who (besides you) cares?

In all fairness I'd say that a lot of people care. In this day, with court case and all, making an official press-release could be seen as the only official announcement. That would also instantly remove a lot of the speculations going on.

Regards,
Joachim Birging

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Well I guess nobody caught the lie (mis statement?) in the announcement then?

@umisef

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Come on, Evert travels to Italy to show off an empty box, but when it comes to actually promising delivery, he cannot be bothered to pick up a phone, create a pre-recorded message, or send an email himself? Instead, he asks you to ask someone else to make an "announcement".

I don't see any problem with a company being represented by someone other than the company's CEO at a computer show. If Hyperion asks me to make an official announcement at a local Amiga show, I would do it just the same, and I would think that those who make consipiracy theories out of this really need to see a doctor...

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@glittering

You can take this as a formal request to behave in a respectful and mature manner, else we'll be forced to take action. You are entitled to your opinion, how you present it is another matter.

Regards,
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@glittering

Wtf is wrong with you? First you start being so rude with ACK now with Rogue and Hyperion. Maybe you should visit some Amiga CEO to see you

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@rogue, slightly off topic but good to see you back here.

and congrats. have the CD gone gold yet?

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Why would he give Hyperion a free ride? Hyperion are just as bad as Amiga Inc. I can understand that most here are desperate for *anything* new but it would bother me to give money to a shady outfit like Hyperion.

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Poster: Insanity Date: 22-Oct-2007 14:32:12 @rogue, slightly off topic but good to see you back here. and congrats. have the CD gone gold yet?

@Rogue

Yes is the software done? Or is there more work to be done, which is what is requiring it not to be able to be released until late next month? If the software is done I think it would be easier to treat the 11/30 date as more reliable if its down to merely Hyperion shipping whats already complete.

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Excellent news.
Thanks Hyperion. Thanks Rogue and all the OS4.0 developers.
You're all doing an excellent work for the Amiga Community.

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gaaah... people these days... just enjoy the fact, that something we've been waiting for a long time, finally has happened. we've got a date for the release of os4 for classic amigas. that's GREAT.

just try to be happy about something for a change!....

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@glittering
If you don't believe in the honesty or reliability of either Amiga Inc nor Hyperion, what are you doing here? You do not sound interested in OS4, or willing to purchase it from a "shady outfit".

edit: I mean, while I doubt that Bernie is interested in buying OS4 either, at least he has some (somewhat overly picky) insights in these matters - but you seem to *only* want to make non-constructive criticisms of people/companies.

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@Rogue who said Quote:

"We"? It's not like I believe you had any interest in either the news item or the product, I rather believe that your only reason for posting at all is urinating up someone's leg.

I'm sure that Bernie does have at least some abstract interest in OS4, given his past involvement with both Amiga Inc & (making a potential Next Gen) Amiga OS (product).

And he has a very good point - until the news item appears on Hyperion's web page, it would be quite easy for a Hyperion lawyer to claim that this 3rd-hand announcement of OS4 for Classic was unofficial (and wrong). Which given the court case so far, is not that far fetched.

And the reason why *others* might be interested in this legal POV are that this would indicate that OS4 on the 30th Nov is only a remote possibility, rather than a strong likely-hood.

(The fact that you edit the Hyperion web site has very little to do with it, from a legal perspective IMHO.)

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Oh, Excellent news!

Even though I have an Micro-A1 I will also buy a copy of this.
I wonder what 'Manual' means, if it's a small leaflet (2-4 pages)
like was the case with OS3.5 and OS3.9, or maybe a small
reference manual such as the one that comes with, for example,
Windows XP, with perhaps 20-40 pages...

@fryguy

No idea about prism2.device. Don't know why 3c589.device doesn't work, but while it does work with OS3.x, it does not with OS4, atleast not on my A1200.

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If you don't believe in the honesty or reliability of either Amiga Inc nor Hyperion, what are you doing here? You do not sound interested in OS4, or willing to purchase it from a "shady outfit".

I wondered when someone (yet again) would use the heavily repeated "what are you doing here" comment.

I am an amiga fan not a (insert amiga company name) fan. If something looks iffy i will say so, not do the usual "turn a blind eye" and dismiss facts just because you don't want to rock the boat. The community has no backbone and the companies can do what the hell they want.

Anyway back to the unanswered question,

If you have nothing to hide hyperion, why have you made no official announcement?

@glittering

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not do the usual "turn a blind eye" and dismiss facts just because you don't want to rock the boat

The problem is, what you write are not facts, but your opinion, and you try to present them as facts, in quite a rude way, and suggest that those with a different opinion are "turning a blind eye". This is why you got a warning from the moderator.

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If you have nothing to hide hyperion, why have you made no official announcement?

If you actually read what Rogue wrote, he was asked *officially* by Hyperion management to get an announcement made at AmiWest, and one of the OS4 betatesters who attended AmiWest, had the privilige of doing this. The announcement is official. Hyperion is as you can imagine very busy getting it done by the announced deadline, and I'm sure they'll get around to putting the news up onto ther website soon enough.