@cha05e90

I do agree with Rigo,that many here at aw.net should "grow up" I dont have any problems with that,but when he say...well you know. This is serious,and should be dealt with by Hyperion. I do however respect all the work that has been done on OS4,by all the devs involved. And the announcement of the x1000,was something i really have been waiting to happend for years. People really should'nt complain when things does'nt happend as fast as they want,because they don't know anything about how much effort this is for 2 very small companies,to pull off.

So yes,we all should "grow up" here at aw.net,but i refuse to set myself on fire

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@Troels

Whatever he say in private,about us amigans,is his business,but as long as he say it in a public forum,it's Hyperion's business. A statement like that in a public forum,can and will harm the company. And as long as he is under contract,he DOES represent Hyperion,as long as he speak in public,that is! It's how the potensial customers view it,that truly matter,not what he,or Hyperion view it! This is basic rules in business!

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@Caveman
Yes. And live goes on.

BTW: If you don't catch fire, then you qualify for the 3%.

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I expect to be flamed for adding to my post from the prior page of this thread, nevertheless...
Although I feel this discussion is winding down, I'd like to make something clear that I'm sure most of you know, but perhaps not all of you.
I offer this not as an excuse nor as praise for how everyone has handled the discussion so far, just as fact.

Simon Archer has no ties to either Hyperion or A-eon, nor is he a spokesperson for either company. He is a freelance developer, like so many others, and as such works out of the goodness of his heart, despite how you took his words.

I'm afraid he's fallen prey to the assumed association that he's speaking for Hyperion, which is plainly not the case. He's speaking solely as an individual, much like HJF and Thomas have done in the past on AW. And they have taken heat also, from the desire to be heard as individuals, as opposed to company representatives. HJF changed his sig at one point, to attempt to make that clear to everyone.

Even I, who work for none of the known amiga "entitites" added a disclaimer to my sig, and yet I still get some of the same heat behind the scenes as to why I say what I do so...I can relate.

In summary, you're hearing from a private individual (Rigo), who, I believe (my prior post), was just feeling some of what Ray felt years ago, when Ray felt compelled to make the post that HE did.

If you wish to continue your discussion, be my guest. I've said my peace.

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Simon Archer has no ties to either Hyperion or A-eon, nor is he a spokesperson for either company. He is a freelance developer, like so many others, and as such works out of the goodness of his heart, despite how you took his words.

He was interviewed as an AmigaOS 4.x developer, and is the beta-tester coordinator. At least in the public eye he will be tied to Hyperion.

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@zerohero

You seem to want this to be so, as you keep insisting on it. Why not stop shaking the teacup and let the storm die down?

Let the multi faceted public eye decide for itself.

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since he clearly said that he meant that 97% of this community deserves to burn.

It's not my native language but i don't exactly read it as "97% of this community deserves to burn". What i understand it's more along the lines of "if you burn, i don't care", i.e. i don't necessarily hope it happens, which is different.

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@broadblues

When was the last time you were yelled at at the grocery store? At the post office? Or any other place where you are the customer? When did either of those companies scream at the bystanders who were talking about them?

I see a few problems here, as I see it. First Hyperion is a small company, in a very small market. Yet they act like a big company, and expect us to honor that. Except when they want reap the benefits of the fact that it is a hobby market. IMO they can't have both, really.

Second, the developers don't get paid, but are still expected to give some kind of support. It's not a sustainable situation, I think.

There's also a problem with some developers who only see trolls everywhere, when someone questions them. Simple inquiries turn into a baiting post somehow and then we're alienating ourselves again. I've been asked to moderate opinions, which I obviously refuse to do.

So why am I doing this? As a moderator I'm voicing my concern that someone comes to "my" site and slams "my" customers. Personally I'm quite disappointed with how some of the core developers treat the community at times. While I acknowledge there are trouble makers, not everyone that asks a question has an evil thought behind it. It troubles me that Hyperion has not addressed this, and I think nothing good can come out of it, if it doesn't change. I find it strange that after 10 years of developing AmigaOS 4.x the developers still don't know the community.

These are my thoughts on the subject, and are not to be taken as absolute truths.

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Tomas, YOU decide what you take personally and RIGO decides what he takes personally. No, there is no difference. Tomas, by all respect for you - you are not the one who decides what is the "gold standard of personal offence" for the rest of the world.

No, but it is completely normal in his field of work to come across people who disagree or even complain. You dont see linux coders, OSX coders or Windows coders bashing all their customers just because a insignificant minority reported bugs or complained/disagreed about something. If someone at microsoft did that then they would lose customers like hell if they did not distance themselves from such statements.

This would all blow over if they apoligized or at least clarified why he said such a thing.

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This would all blow over if they apoligized or at least clarified why he said such a thing.

Of course this MIGHT help - but as I stated earlier in this thread I am rather sure: Whatever they do, it will be wrong. You, me, some other might be satisfied, but there will be constant nagging noise left - as always. So someone might think: Why bother at all?

And to a certain extent I would understand this behaviour NOT to react to episodes like this - after years and years of fighting, nagging, trolling etc. someone can decide to do things and don't care about any "community" noise/signal ratio anymore.

There are reasons why all the contractors like the Strohmeyers, Barthels, Wenzels and so on aren't seen here anymore (or very, very seldom) - only a few "hard skinned" are left. And maybe Rigos skin got holes in the last time...

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I find it strange that after 10 years of developing AmigaOS 4.x the developers still don't know the community.

Might be the opposite - after 10 years of ... they KNOW the "community" (see my comment above).

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When was the last time you were yelled at at the grocery store? At the post office? Or any other place where you are the customer? When did either of those companies scream at the bystanders who were talking about them?

If an employee did so when at work he would be fired without a question, but what he does ELSEWHERE in his sparetime is problematic but not a reason to fire someone.
Everyone is entitled to their opinion and Hyperion has no rights to try and put censure on Rigo.

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So why am I doing this? As a moderator I'm voicing my concern that someone comes to "my" site and slams "my" customers.

Sometimes I have to ask mysel if I want to be your customer anymore...

Perhaps Hyperion and developers should just refrain from posting on AW.net. Because of the lame TOS, change of direction on AW.net and (not very strict) moderation they have had to accept a lot of trolling and a lot of beating. Spending their time on a site that is a bit more AmigaOS frindly might be a better choice.

I remember the PM I got on Amiga.org just prior to the launch of AW.net, the direction AW.net has taken since the start (a clone of Amiga.org) is just SAD.

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@Tomas
"I really wonder why hyperion and os4 coders even bother, when they clearly hate everyone in the amiga community."

A LOT of people get nice support and have a fine relationship with people from Hyperion. I can't even say what I think about your statement above without breaking the TOS.

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I expect to be flamed...

LOL. Is that an admission you are one of the 97%

Nice one Bill

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@Troels

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Perhaps Hyperion and developers should just refrain from posting on AW.net. Because of the lame TOS change of direction on AW.net and (not very strict) moderation they have had to accept a lot of trolling and a lot of beating. Spending their time on a site that is a bit more AmigaOS frindly might be a better choice.

Could you please give me some example of this happening? I don't agree with this, obviously. There are some bad apples, but in general I'd say it's not as bad as it's being portrayed.

I would also be interested in what way you think "lame TOS change of direction" is happening?

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Sometimes I have to ask mysel if I want to be your customer anymore...

Why? I have never been rude or treated you badly on this site, or anywhere else? And I don't think I've offended anyone lately either?

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Sometimes I have to ask mysel if I want to be your customer anymore... Perhaps Hyperion and developers should just refrain from posting on AW.net. Because of the lame TOS change of direction on AW.net and (not very strict) moderation they have had to accept a lot of trolling and a lot of beating. Spending their time on a site that is a bit more AmigaOS frindly might be a better choice. I remember the PM I got on Amiga.org just prior to the launch of AW.net, the direction AW.net has taken since the start (a clone of Amiga.org) is just SAD.

I guess you want full censorship to protect the feelings of hyperion?? All because of a small minority group? People who just troll are usually warned from what i have seen in such threads.
But i guess asking questions or disagreeing are only okay when it comes to Amiga inc?

Can you please show us all the trolling going on by 97% of the community? Nearly every thread should be filled with people only flaming and trolling if that is true.

I bet the real numbers are more like 1% or even less...
To me it seems like some people are looking around for trolls.. I guess hyperion or rigo spends most of their time at moobunny.. Most people here are just amigans who just want to have fun and maybe even look forward to getting their hands on next generation hardware.

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@Tomas
No I don't like censorship nor do I care about the feelings of Hyperion I would just like people here to be a bit more respectful towards the companies that actually delivers (be it MOS, AROS, AMIGA) on their promises. I don't like stuff like claims that the X1000 is vapour, that Hyperion hates everyone in the community etc. and there are tons of comments like that around here. I think it's close to being trolling and at lest it's counter productive and not what Aw.net was intended to be about.

Trolling by 97% of the community.... I can't remember I ever claimed that, neither do I think it's true.

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