@Swoop

Give Amigakit some time to make the evaluation as to if it works .


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am not adverse to paying for this driver, all I am interested in is whether this is available for my particular hardware,?

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Well, you got to understand that Amiga is strugeling bad, so if you want new drivers etc. be part of the team to pay for it. This is like someone pay in advance, and you pay back later.

What could be an idea for Hyperion is to come up with some amount of money required to make the driver free for everyone. For updates it would still be needed money of course, to keep the development going.

I wonder if we should do something simelar on AROS.

Seems that when 4.2 is out, it's time to get new HW.

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however in the world, vga driver are free for any platform and OS.

In the past, when Amiga company produced hardwares, they includes software driver or we have to pay amigaOS driver for amiga hardware.
But now, AmigaOS 4 users have to pay driver for hardware produced by third party.

it's totally nonsense this way.
it was better a bounty.

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Look at it this way.
Want a new GFX driver or not!! I'm sure the one you have works, so you could always use that till the end of time.

I can agree with the bounty suggestion.

Pay for drivers?

"Registered AmigaONE X1000 "First Contact" customers will be able download driver updates free of charge from the A-EON Technology website."

TrevorD

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A bounty always take so much time unfortunately. The examples are endless.

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I think people should spend their energy picketing (or petitioning, if you can't be bothered travelling in person) for ATI/AMD to provide you with a free driver. After all, you're paying hundreds of local monetary units to them for their hardware, compared to the tens paid to the guy making this driver.

And has been mentioned, this is NO different than how it ALWAYS has been.

Stop expecting free beer.

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Using "voltage" instead of "potential", which leads to inventing new words like "amperage" instead of "current" (I, measured in A) or possible "charge" (amperehours, Ah or Coulomb, C). Sometimes I don't even know what people mean.

I think the confusion is because (Acube) customers had higher expectations regarding driver-support (propably errors in communication or perhaps it was not clear enough what they can expect and what not). As far as I understand this are the new drivers only supporting 2D on newer graphiccards, 3D will be available for all with 4.2.

@Olegil

That's a bit of an inaccurate analogy. You excluded the fact that a person also has to pay a 4 figure sum to even have the "priviledge" to pay more again to get current drivers.

Seems Hyperion are just playing it by ear, with very little in the way of forethought.

@thread
The following probably wont make me any friends, but it is my opinion...


Poor ol' OS4.x users. They get a rough time of it. It's like a community run and paid project, but without the benefit of any sort of control...... "here's my money, let me pay for your business to continue, but give me no say in how things go, and scold me when I have a suggestion".

While I have sympathy for some OS4.x users as a whole the OS4.x community has taught "the powers that be" that its okay to rought them..... keep accepting things dished up, and you'll get it time and time again (much like anything in life).

Little sad when a driver can cost more than the hardware :) I can buy a 4650HD for $39, but the driver will cost me $45 unless I buy into an "exclusive" group by spending 5 months worth of mortgage. :)

Sad to see what has become of the once mighty amiga. Mismanaged to a degree that's almost an artform (hyperion mostly). It's just as well there's other options for me to get the same type of experience nowadays.
Far be it for me to tell others to stop copping it on the chin though. If history has shown anything its that a lot of OS4.x users are sadomasochists :)

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I think a fair amount of the people posting on this forum got atleast 1 intel/amd driven computer sitting around their house, tho some stick to Amiga only and if that
works for them, then good stuff.

When I donate money to anyone making software, be it on Appstore (apple), PC or Amiga, its cause I enjoy using said software.
If I buy hardware its not cause I NEED it per see, but its something I can find a use for on a hobby level.

There might be some people around with Amiga 4ever tatooed on their forehead, but
I think most have a sober idea about the wallet vs useful/fun ratio any given platform
can give them.

Techguuru or whatshisname on youtube that semi regulary post youtube movies about being Amiga user in 20xx and other related things seems to have a healthy
perspective on computers in general.

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@Fishy_fis

You have it wrong man.
Sam460ex users have a version of driver that supports cards up to HD4890 cards.
Included in the cost of their Motherboard and OS 4.1 .
There was never a schedule for a version 1.0 driver and 3D Support was for OS 4.2 .
Version 0.15 ships on on OS4.1 CD of Sam460ex as a special deal between Acube and Hans. The two updates that were provide by Acube, version 0.27 and Version 0.32 were to fix bugs found in testing Radeon HD4000 series cards were some cards would freeze under certain conditions. if these bugs weren not found then version 0.15 would have been what Sam460ex users used until whatever updates came in OS 4.2 .
The new driver cost is for the Updated driver that supports cards beyond the Radeon HD 4000 series .
If you dont need them for a Sam460ex then you dont need to pay anthing more once you run OS 4.1 .

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@ fishy_fis

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Poor ol' OS4.x users.

No need to feel sorry - I'm fine, both my Radeon 9250 and my Radeon M9 are nicely supported.

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one strange thing.. is there any mention in this announcement that paying for the driver now would include things like 3d hardware acceleration and/or overlay or will there be another payment necessary to get this features (i suppose os4.2 where they are supposed to be included is going to be a full price commercial release)?

i say this, because its apparently the customers that assume they are paying for something inclusive that has not been promissed.

i mean a pure 2d driver will not work any much different on a modern card in comparison to an old one? how else? moving windows even faster? am i right?

@wawa

You get support up to version 1.0 .
Version 1.0 should be the one that supports 3D. The 3D work is being done by Hyperion.
Extras like Textured video, the replacement for overlay being done By Hans. So extras can be added at any time.
We dont know if the initial driver version 1.0 included in OS 4.2 will support cards beyond the HD4000 series. You may need the one from A-Eon for these cards.

The OS 4 game is changing.

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@fishy_fish

Your viewpoint is unrealistic in my opinion. Software development is expensive, especially when you get down to low-level things such as drivers, operating system kernels, etc...

With the small user base there are two choices, pay less and have slower progress and stagnation, or pay more and accelerate development.

This isn't 18 year olds hacking in their mother's basement any more. These are university-educated adults with time limitations and large responsibilities (families, mortgages, etc). This is the level of experience required to make these things happen.

Going forwards it appears the cost of the driver development will be bundled in with the system prices, so I don't see a problem there.

The *only* issue is for users who are on older systems and how they should pay to bring themselves into the same ecosystem. In this case I am sure that there will be a reasonable outcome. A polite, reasonable discussion on these forums will provide some good feedback to help with those decisiions.

Do you own any Amiga OS 4.x systems?

"The OS 4 game is changing."

OS4+hardware is already premium (price). If you have to buy additionally drivers because those are not included I seriously doubt that the platform will win new users. It is like buying a premium car that is only running at 70%. If you want 100% you have to buy additional upgrades. I do not think that this strategy will be very successful...

okay, so to be just clear: the payment for the driver doesnt include 3d support.
3d support will be provided with the forthcoming fully priced os4 update as it was announced. (and the gfx drivers have to be purchuased separately or bundled with dedicated hardware?)

now, like that the responsibilities are clearly distributed. but i would write a caveat about the above into the press release. just that the customers know where they are and do not pay and buy cards misguided by assumption they have paid for a feature that is not included.

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if there'sno 3D support

wouldn't it be better to buy a Radeon 9000 series card for pennies and have a fully supported card... it might take years before newer cards are fully supported and than they would be cheaper and drivers included in the price of the system/OS4?

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@Spectre660

Nah, I completely understand the situation, I just dont think it's anything resembling sane. Surely Hyperion understood that the platform will need to move forward and should have factored those development costs. After this latest development it seems reasonable to assume that any further non-core development will cost the user yet again. Amiga (capital "A") is very much becoming, contrary to the old adage, "computers for the classes, not the masses".
That said, I appreciate your ability to discuss these things reasonably, despite the fact we apparently dont see eye to eye on this.

@wawa

You're right, and in fact modern cards downclock themselves to a fraction of thier default frequencies, both gpu clock, and ram clock such is the excess of 2d speed. For 2d these days (and probably for the best part of a decade) its the quality of drivers that determines speed. Id be interested to see the difference in speed between a top of the line 7xxxHD series and something like a lowly 9250. Id hazzard a guess the latter would be faster at the moment.


@gregthecanuk (excuse the probable mispelling, Im going by memory)

Having done considerable amiga development over the years Im well aware of what's involved.... ironically the exact same things that's involved for other alternative systems that dont charge additional money when they want to add extra functionality, drivers, etc., made by people with the same obligations.

And no, I no longer have any OS4 hardware, but that doesnt mean I cant have an opinion on something Ive been enthusiastic about for over 25 years. Contrary to how it may sound I do understand that these things take time and cost money, and I do appreciate the effort put in by the developers, and like that theyre getting paid. My big qualm is with the powers that be at Hyperion for thier apparent complete lack of forethought or foresight. Time and effort should have been put in to cover costs for these sorts of advancements, or failing that, alternate ideas/methods should be used that do fit into a budget. It's a crying shame what a mockery these "powers that be" have made of the amiga.
It's this incompetance that has led me to be hesitant to buy back into OS4.x, and they continue to give me no confidence to do so.

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