@Bobsonsirjonny

Wanna work out an exchange ? I'm getting bored of computers and other stuff maybe the beer and woman would be enough replacement for a while

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@BillE

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Beer is actually VERY interesing indeed. As much as an Amiga. No - maybe even a bit more as long as it is a real ale and not some crappy lager.

I'd have to agree with that to some extent. Tried some 'Bishops Farewell' this evening. Was rather different and rather nice.

Steve

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OS4.x - Flying the AMIGA flag

I am presuming that with this talk of beer that you guys are toasting Hyperion just so you can stay on the correct topic for this thread. Yes?

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I'd agree with you, but then we'd both be wrong.

@ChrisH
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This has never been suggested by anyone related to Hyperion, AFAIK, so that is pure speculation...

I'm beginning to understand why others have gotten rather peeved for people taking their words and warping them. I delivered the settlement news at AmiWest and tried to answer all the questions thrown at me/Hyperion. How this turned into delivery of specific features at specific release points is beyond my imagination as well.

Hey, at least we know there is still some strong interest in AmigaOS which is always a good thing (e.g. Slashdot picked it up). I believe the brand still has a lot of meaning out there so it was very important to me that AmigaOS 4.x, which is based on the original 3.1 code, stayed labeled as AmigaOS and Hyperion seems to have fixed that problem for the foreseeable future.

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Jose

Yeah, go and do something more interesting:

Mountain biking
Motocross
Motorcycle Racing
Car Racing
Sky Diving
Swimming
Running
Body Building
Mountain Climbing
Pot Hole -ing ?
Leggo
Porn Star

Get your Pilots ticket

Round the World trip

Start Painting or Sculpting

or just go outside.

Wol..

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I delivered the settlement news at AmiWest and tried to answer all the questions thrown at me/Hyperion. How this turned into delivery of specific features at specific release points is beyond my imagination as well.

If you look at the SECOND AmiWest video posted, you will find there *is* discussion of USB3 on it. It is from there that I think the misunderstanding arises.

However, it is someone else who asks the speaker about USB3, and he makes it quite clear that although it might be possible, he has no knowledge of whether they are working on it or not.

Unfortunately rumours do happen, and the only thing Hyperion can do is squash them as they appear. I don't think they can do anything to stop them appearing in the first place! Although putting a clear list of planned features on their web site would surely help....

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@Troels

I must say i feel pretty much offended right now. Ok, Rigo might know much, but so do i actually. I always watch what happens to the Amiga.

We all know that AmigaOne is now obsolete. That's a fact we have to accept. It doesn't mean however that it won't be supported. Of course it will, but there might not be new AmigaOnes..

While future Amigas will not likely be Only-Amiga systems, these will be new hardwares that might run several OSes, where Linux is one of them, and then the AmigaOS 4.x..

As we know, AmigaOS 4.2 will be the first to support SMP, so there is a huge indication that there is a multicore Amiga in the horizon, as stated during both AmiWest 2009 and Pianata 2009 shows.

These are the facts and these were not made by myself. I'm simply just bringing the truth out there. I'm not just another Amiga-supporter. I am an old veteran and i have been using Amiga since late 80-ies as well as watching its' development all the years, so i too know what i am talking about..

I have nothing more to say..

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@All

Did all of you notice that i used words like MIGHT, LIKELY and such? I never said i was sure, but based on a logic theory. I understand Rigo is part of OS4 team and know more. I'm sure he does. No doubt there...

But i know things too. At least i know what i am talking about for sure.

I'm sick and tired of being underestimated by selfishs who think they know so much more and better than anyone. I'm tired of being treaten as a crazy old senile fart...

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@ChrisH

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If you look at the SECOND AmiWest video posted, you will find there *is* discussion of USB3 on it. It is from there that I think the misunderstanding arises.

Ignoring a video of an informal discussion about various topics for a moment, one of the development focuses is currently on improving the USB system which is already part of AmigaOS 4.1, making sure that MassStorage device accesses are more reliable, and of course fine tuning the USB2.0 driver.

There is currently no work going on to include any sort of USB3 support.

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Any comments are a personal opinion, and should be accepted as such.

@Helgis

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As we know, AmigaOS 4.2 will be the first to support SMP --snip-- These are the facts and these were not made by myself. I'm simply just bringing the truth out there.

Wow, I did not know that was a fact.
Can you please give a link to the official statement from Hyperion?

@Smurfen

No he can't.. He's talking out of his *ss again

I'm starting to think this is a huge language barrier..
Just because SMP was mentioned for "4.2 and beyond" doesn't mean it will
be in 4.2 as Helge seems to think. Hyperion, or any representative of them, has
never promised SMP for a specific OS version AFAIK.

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Just a general observation: SMP, USB3; none of this really matters very much. No-one is going to switch to Amiga just because feature XYZ has been added to the OS. What really matters is third-party software.

People buy computers to run software. Further, people will buy software for the computers they already own unless there is some compelling reason for them to switch. There are barriers to switching systems, so most people will stick with what they are already using unless there is good reason for them to switch. Even if Amiga was at parity with Windows in the area of third-party software, there would still be no reason for most people to switch systems.

I know people who have switched from Windows to OS X the past few years, and all of them switched for one of two reasons: Either they got fed up dealing with viruses and malware, or else they bought an iPod and/or iPhone and got sucked into the Apple "universe" that way. Apple identified a couple of opportunities and successfully exploited them.

AmigaOS needs to be upgraded; there's no doubt about that. But even more critically, Amiga needs to find a niche that it can exploit; one that's compelling enough to get people to switch systems. If it doesn't, then none of the rest really matters. Just being as good as Windows or OS X isn't good enough.

I'm not trying to be negative, I'm just staring the plain truth straight in the face. The Amiga/Hyperion settlement didn't get us out of the woods, it just got us untied from a tree in the middle of the woods.

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@ChrisH

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Unfortunately rumours do happen, and the only thing Hyperion can do is squash them as they appear. I don't think they can do anything to stop them appearing in the first place!

Rumors & speculation has stopped Hyperion from giving out a lot of information all together. Their not about to troll the forums to put down rumors, it's much easier for them to keep future features private.

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@HKvalhe
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We all know that AmigaOne is now obsolete. That's a fact we have to accept. It doesn't mean however that it won't be supported. Of course it will, but there might not be new AmigaOnes..

You might need to check up of the different meanings of the word "obsolete".

Just because you did blow up and destroy several AmigaOnes, does not give you the right to go out and discredit the hardware with the fastest cpus there is to run OS4. (Together with Peg2 that is).

As for presenting "facts" in Internet forums, either you do presents facts as an 100% true,
for that to be taken seriously, you need to ; A) be a developer of the software you write about, B) present links to your sources

Otherwise, to avoid flaming and upsetting people, you need to A) use the terms "in my humble opinion", "as far as I know", "as I have understood it", "I am not a lawyer".

B) avoid using general terms as "we" without giving names to who stand behind "we".
Otherwise there is a risk that you will be seen as someone with a dual personality disorder.

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Ok, Rigo might know much, but so do i actually. I always watch what happens to the Amiga.

Oh please, don't be absurd. Rigo is a core developer, he knows exactly what is happening with AmigaOS, and he has a lot more insight into it than you have.

What you deliver here is pure speculation. For example:

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As we know, AmigaOS 4.2 will be the first to support SMP,

While we are considering SMP support, we have not said ANYTHING about what AmigaOS version will support it. Heck, it could even be 4.1. You are merely speculating.

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These are the facts and these were not made by myself.

Actually, I just contradicted your facts. But maybe you're going to tell me now that while Rogue might know much, so do you actually.

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@All

It is only logical that support for USB 3.x will come afterward, too. When that will be, remains a question...

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@Moxee

I appreciate you trying to help, as well as others, but i am doing very fine really. Everything i have said recently, have been correct and true. Most of them..

And i wasn't the one who revealed the future plans for AmigaOS. I was holding to the truth. I know very well that AmigaOne might always be supported, but ask yourself this:

Where is Eyetech? They had the responsibility of distributing AmigaOnes. They have been away for a couple of years. What make people think that there will be a new AmigaOne? AmigaTwo? Perhaps, if that was the plan...

And what is actually an Amiga nowadays? As i see it, Amiga is ANY hardware that runs different versions or forms of AmigaOS, MorphOS and AROS. Not just Linux...

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@All

Actually, i can. This was mentioned by people whom heard the plans from Hyperion during the AmiWest 2009 and Pianata 2009 shows. There are own topics mentioning what was revealed at these 2 shows..

Wild speculations from me, like in the past as some of you say? No way...

These were told by Hyperion Entertainment themselves, and written by some of the members here who were there at these shows...

Check the facts before accuzing somebody..

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@All

You wanted a link that says the facts i was referring to, then here you go:

OS4 Roadmap revealed!

Eat this!

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@Samwel

Not quite true! Hyperion DID say a long while back that they inteended to intergrate SMP into AmigaOS in the future. That was long the plan, and this might as well happen now that Hyperion own the whole AmigaOS concept.

It's ironic that people like you in the past and even now, claim that i am misleading and making wild speculations. This might prove that i am simply bringing out Hyperion Entertainment own words revealed at these 2 Amiga shows..

Would you dare to say that Hyperion are making wild speculations? I would, and that's not a wise move..

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