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If only there were somebody to help us see the light and the alternatives that are available. Alas, for "some reason" some of us just can't figure it out. I'm so lost but at least I am free.

Free to troll?

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If only there were somebody to help us see the light and the alternatives that are available. Alas, for "some reason" some of us just can't figure it out. I'm so lost but at least I am free.

Anyone who can't figure it out is either not capable of using a computer to begin with -- probably not a factor here -- or has elimated options in advance for maybe nonrational reasons. In any case, I think it's better to both be free and have your bearings.

-- gary_c

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What i found really funny about this "we don't want to see such news here" issue, that no one complained about the PegasosPPC discontinuation news... That was bad news from the "blue" camp. This is good news from the same place, and - surprise - a lot of people appear to complain about it, that it doesn't belong here. Oh well...

And i also find it funny, how quickly the "possible future OS4 hardware" (Efika) became "alien, angry, hostile and foreign"... Some people seriously need to get a life here.

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Just in case somebody is actually interested in the content of the news and wishes to know more about EFIKA, I can suggest this article at PPCNUX. It's a show report of "EBV Tech Trends 2006" where bPlan first demo'ed the final version of EFIKA. Possibilities and limitations are summed up and you get to hear the reasons for several board design decisions. There are also some movies showing EFIKA running games and movie trailers at the bottom of the site.

The only thing that still isn't clear to me are the reasons for using a custom form factor instead of e.g. Nano-ITX. Are there already any suggestions on a possible case, e.g. a 5 1/4 drive bay?

And now back to the discussion of the implications of this horrible news (New hardware for an Amigaish OS) on some intolerant zealots wearing blinders.

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The Efika 5200B is available on the PegasosPPC.com store. The retail price is $199 - please contact the sales team for reseller and bulk discounts.

This is an advertisement of a competing sytem. I thought using AW as a medium to advertise products was against the TOS, but perhaps I am mistaken.I thought the other service that AW provides was for that Here

@Tom
www.amiga.com is Amiga Inc's website which is not the same as an Amiga website.
Furthermore, I was not referring to moderation in any way in my post, so no I do not violate that particular part of the TOS in any way.

Genesi\morphos users have thier own sites etc to get news from, why should we have to put up with seeing it after the crap Genesi has pulled in the past.
I would prefer to have no Genesi\morphos related stuff here at all, but would be happy with it just simply not being on the front page and not be forced to have to ignore it.

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My $0.02 CDN...

Any new hardware that comes along is good. It grows the overall "Amiga" market. Anyone buying an Efika now will probably turn it over in a few years. Typical PC-ish happenings. At least they are helping build a PPC user base.

Hardware needs software and applications. Application vendors have something to sell again, even if not on OS4, for now. Hollywood is a good example, an overall expanding user base is good.

And, if by some back-door way it helps motivate Amiga Inc/Hyperion/hardware vendors to come to some agreements on licensing, so much the better.

@IonMane

Elbox does the same with their offers for old hardware and no one complains. In the case of Elbox it's even worse because the products have been in the market for months so it's no news at all.

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I wrote this new thread

http://amigaworld.net/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?topic_id=21376&forum=2

Trying with a great fatigue labour to speak words of wisdom.

Please read it and try to see all the situation from a different point of view.

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@thread

This is the title of the news thread: Genesi: Announcing MorphOS Support on Efika 5200B
IF you have a comment that relates TO the news item then make it.

DO NOT make comments about whether it should BE a news item... got that?

WE have put this News Item up here. It merits attention. It is note-worthy. It is valid.

Having it posted as a News Item does NOT mean it will somehow 'change' your viewpoint, your outlook or your bias for or against anything. But all knowledge is good as it gives you a better basis for understanding.

Now stop bickering, for heaven's sake.

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@Chain-Q

I think the problem is that AW.net was an OS4 only website, it is not about blue vs red, but that MOS, AROS have a dedicated website/forum/portal... OS4 doesn't have it. For the ones who are only interested in OS4, this site is becoming boring. Even if could agree with you, saying "get a life" make me disagree with you, bacause it would apply to a good numbers of MOS users here who act 10yo children. Probably some OS4 users wants only a OS4 dedicated website, such as Aros exec or MorphZone and imho it is a good thing, plus Amiga.org or now AmigaWorld as a bigger and open portals. Naturally IMHO.



@Genesi and MOS Team

Well done, it is nice to see that thay take apart their differences and no co-op to give MOS a future again. I really hope to read some good news from Amiga Inc/OS4 hardware soon... we all need "fresh good news".

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This is an advertisement of a competing sytem.

I beg your pardon, but competing with _WHAT_? Are there any end-user HW offers available right now from any self-proclaimed OS4 HW manufacturers?

See the point? The problem is not about Efika, or not about it's advertisement.

(Ps: i'm really not against OS4 HW attempts. I like the Samantha concept for example, but it still really has to prove itself, so like the other ones.)

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Even if could agree with you, saying "get a life" make me disagree with you, bacause it would apply to a good numbers of MOS users here who act 10yo children.

That is true of course, but i don't really see how that makes my points less valid.

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Probably some OS4 users wants only a OS4 dedicated website, such as Aros exec or MorphZone and imho it is a good thing,

Yes, there is of course nothing wrong with that. Still, the problem is, when people are totally lack objectivity and open mind. And that applies to both sides. But, even the Samantha was discussed on MZ.org, as possible MorphOS solution, and i really can't recall so many flamebaits and bashing against it...

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I agree with you Ikir...

There is more news about other things than Amiga and/or Amiga OS4!

Instead of concentrating on alternative solutions why doesn't someone with an A1 with OS4 write an OS4 tutorial or show off their machine so we (OS4-less people) can learn and get excited about it?

Frankly I am only interested in Amiga and official Amiga OS...

It's not good to me having other things flashed in my face...because I am not interested (at the moment as it's not Amiga....yet).

I have already got an alternative system, it's called a pc running Windows, and frankly, it makes circles around anything you put in front of it, so unless Amiga or Amiga licensed stuff I just don't read it...grumpy mood off...

My two cents....

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There is more news about other things than Amiga and/or Amiga OS4!

Maybe that is due to the lack of OS4-news ?

I myself am hunting news to submit to websites.
During the past few months, pure OS4 news has been a rarity.

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Ionmane,

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Disagree if you like, but that is my opinion, and I will wager the opinion of many others.

Nope, that's fair enough. You are entitled to your opinion just as others are entitled. You won't find any argument from anyone there.

The major point of controversy is hondo's most explicit and direct attack on a staff member here, thereby not only breaking ToS agreements which he has willingly signed, but attacking AmiGR in a most base fashion, and not only him, but me and others who own a Genesi product. Hondo, you and anyone else here is entitled to their own opinion, but attacking another member because of a particular (whether substantial or mythical) stance is not only unjustifiable but not tolerated at all; especially since many here were screaming for stricter moderation (yet go on breaking the rules when it suits them) not so long ago.

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Oh, and I hope that any remaining comments stay on the news item itself and not on the pro's and cons of a supposed shift in this site's focus.

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~255.63 AUD seems to be reasonable.... Slightly higher than certain PPC based SD DTV set-up box....

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Great news!

Rude!

EDIT thought better of it

Last edited by Rudei on 24-Nov-2006 at 10:44 AM.

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@TheDaddy

You have a point, but one of the problems we have is that there aren't so many OS4 related news due to the bad current situation.

But I agree completely with you in one thing: users should concentrate in good things of their platform and write tutorials, translate web pages, support software authors and if they are also developers concentrate in developing instead of wasting their time complaining about news items they are not interested in.

I wonder why some people doesn't concentrate in good things of their platform and do constructive things instead of complaining for a news item of a company that actually *releases working products*.

Those pro-OS4 guys should create more tutorials, reviews of software, create software, icons, art and concentrate in the creative stuff.

Amiga used to mean creativity, let's concentrate in the good stuff.

All in all and despiting what some fanboys from both sides say, OS4/OS3/MOS are very similar. You can port software easily between these systems. And with some skins, icons and customization outsiders would have difficulties noticing which system is OS4/MOS/OS3.

Let's concentrate in creative things.

Some OS4 users don't notice that if more OS4 things happened more OS4 news would be in the front page. But if these users spend their time fighting instead of doing creative stuff the situation won't change.

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@AMiGR

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So, are you claiming that I and other people here are hostile, while Atheist and Co. are not?

If you read your post that I have obtained this quote from, I actually find this to be quite an "agressive" post and that is something I have pointed out to you before.

Thats not an attack, thats an observation.

Rude!

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