@ MikeB

Not very often I say this to you, but well put!

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Slowly the ways changed and others came in.

This is crazy. AOS news is totally dead. It is interesting to see developments with other Amiga-compatible/inspired systems.

Freedom and openness of mind is just one of the many traits that the long-gone Amiga brought to the forefront.

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Make not ! This is a time for not Let's discuss not

Brilliant

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I am sure the EFIKA could do lots for MorphOS. But one criteria is
that there is a complete Open Developer Workstation with a nice
case is released.

This is absolutely imperative since the EFIKA is of non-standard
size and no cases will fit without modification.

Neko talked about some case a while ago and hopefully they work
on it. A motherboard is fine for some developers, but most will want
a nice case along with it.

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I think that congratulations are in order here for the MOS team and Genesi, for setting aside their differences and most probably rescuing the amiga from certain death by neglect; I think it's pretty obvious by now that we couldn't rely on Amiga Inc to do so, who in spite of the best efforts of everyone around them, insist on snatching defeat from the jaws of victory. My heartfelt thanks to Biil Buck, Ralph Schmidt and everyone else involved for rescuing my favourite computer.

Given the low price of the Efika, the fact that it can now run "an" Amiga OS on it, and how it seems that Amiga Inc will keep OS4 hostage indefinitely, I'm starting to seriously entertain the idea of doing a "switch" to MOS. I'm probably not the only one here thinking that.

Anyone here who feels insulted by this can thank Mr Bill "Mehdi" McEwen for faithfully following in the footsteps of his short-sighted predecessors.

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I really want Amiga to do well, but I can't see how at this moment...

How do you make an impression on people?

I am talking the general public, not our "geeky" community, what does Amiga have to offer? And in this case MOS+Efika?

Security?
Super Fast hardware?
Latest Games?
Applications?
A Web Browser?

Maybe cheap hardware?

I think it's going to be a difficult but I hope people join forces!

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it's more like retro community...

That's because it is. Which is no bad thing.

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I think that congratulations are in order here for the MOS team and Genesi, for setting aside their differences

I was actually thinking the same.

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Well I have to agree with hondo and trezzer here. I came to this site because it was Official Amiga solution centric only. I had had enough of the crap at Amiga.org.

It is beside the point that linux and other news is also posted here, as it is beside the point that we can simply ignore "morph/genesi" threads. The point is that the mere existance of such threads annoys people who feel they should not have to on an Official Amiga website!

Now that does not mean that those of us who support this view support Amiga Inc. Hyperion or enyone else, in fact many of us do not like one or more of the "offical Amiga companies" anymore than Genesi etc, but thats the price we pay.

Some of the reasons we tolerate, or even like threads about other systems/os's and not morphos/Genesi is simply that discussion about those are usually constructive and with a view to advance Amiga, whilst the past of Genesi has been to stir up trouble, attempts to gain ownership and control of Amiga and the OS through various nefarious means, and generally fragment and cause division and conflict in the Amiga community. And I have seen absolutely nothing to say that that this was to advance the Amiga platform, and plenty of evidence that the only thing Genesi were trying to do was for themselves, and themselves only.Something that sony, or the linux community etc has NOT done.

Disagree if you like, but that is my opinion, and I will wager the opinion of many others.

Now Genesi has not one time apologized or even hinted at any kind of responsibility to shady behaviour or the damage they are directly responsible for, or taken any actions which I consider to be even close to holding out the olive branch.

Now many of you guys think we should just shut up and stick our head in the sand.That frankly is not on. We are members of this site, the topic is Morphos/Genesi related, so we are well on topic discussing our particular dislike of such sytems, or the fact that such news is even posted here! We are fully entitled to express our opinion here, and I suggest if you do not like it, then simply ignore our posts and threads!

The fact remains, that now that AmigaWorld has changed to be a broader site, there really is no other site that fulfills the niche it once did.If we had wanted a broader tolerant site we would have stayed at Amiga.org.

I certainly know of no other "offical solution" site that allows advertisement of a competitors solution on thier own site. Genesi is a competitor and always will be until they get a license.

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Wow, quite a tempest in a teapot is brewing here.

Competition is a *good* thing. It validates the market demand.

'Coopetition' is even more productive -- if .01% of the energy devoted to bellyaching and politics would have been invested in bringing these camps together on some level you would have seen legitimate results years ago. Love BBRV/Genesi or hate them, they at least deliver.

If nothing else, this should provoke some reaction from Amiga/Hyperion. If not, it's time to put a fork in them (no Michael Richards jokes please).

Thats one of my points, They do not co-operate.
Competition is also fine, but in such a confined space?And allowing the competitor onto the website of the solution you are supposedly supporting, and allowing the to advertise thier products in your own back yard?
And then giving those that question this practise a hard time?

Something just seems a bit off in this picture to me.

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http://amiga.com/ is the official Amiga website.

As allready stated, this news item was manually approved, therefore this applies:

Ajudication: Whilst AmigaWorld.net moderation tries to be fair and balanced sometimes errors can occur. If you disagree with a specific instance where you have been moderated then please put your complaint to the Webmaster, an Administrator or another moderator for consideration and possible action. Arguments about specific moderation incidents are not tolerated on the public forum, use the adjudication process open to you.

So, this comment is a TOS-violation:
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We are members of this site, the topic is Morphos/Genesi related, so we are well on topic discussing our particular dislike of such sytems, ]or the fact that such news is even posted here!

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We are fully entitled to express our opinion here, and I suggest if you do not like it, then simply ignore our posts and threads!

No you are not allowed to express opinions on the subject of moderation freely!

Moderation: A moderators say is final. When a moderation decision is made the moderator will document why either in private message or at the place where moderation occurred. This in most cases will be accompanied by reference to which Terms Of Service have been broken. Moderators are allowed to use their discretion in interpretation of the Terms Of Service and operate outside of the Terms Of Service where they see a need to intervene. Where you disagree, or feel unfairness is an issue, see Ajudication.

Ajudication: Whilst AmigaWorld.net moderation tries to be fair and balanced sometimes errors can occur. If you disagree with a specific instance where you have been moderated then please put your complaint to the Webmaster, an Administrator or another moderator for consideration and possible action. Arguments about specific moderation incidents are not tolerated on the public forum, use the adjudication process open to you.

note the bold parts.

Now, I let you go with a minor warning, instead I'll make your post a public example of a post that is not within the aw.net TOS.
(This will be discussed among the staff, so it might change)

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@thread Feel free to start a new thread, but further off-topic rants will be moderated.

Here is an extension to that warning:

Any public discussion about whether this news item should be on aw.net or not, will be considered as a TOS-violation, and action will be taken accordingly, regardless if you approve or disapprove of this news item

Regarding off topic, we will look into that too later on.

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@ne_one

Seriously. The lack of Peg2s combined with the spat between Genesi and the MOS team was the only thing that was shielding the OS4 side from the need to release ASAP. Now that shield is gone, Amiga Inc will have no choice but to come to an agreement with their partners or risk losing their entire PPC market. To me (and I guess to many others - crimbo and the associated spendfest are just around the corner) $200 is an impulse purchase; even if I end up hating it later, the price is low enough that I'm willing to give it a go. If I do like it, it's similar enough and yet different enough to OS4, that odds that I'll go back are pretty low unless they also come up with a $200 box (and considering that OS4 alone is > $100, that's going to be a neat trick to pull off).

Of course, I'm still not convinced that Amiga Inc just wants the whole OS4 thing to go away, and are just watching this while holding down the pillow until the squirming stops.

@tomazkid

As far as I can see Ionmame wasn't discussing moderation decisions in the comments you quoted? Merely stating that the thread was on-topic and that people could ignore certain posts and threads...

@bbrv/Morphos team

This is great news and I hope it will bring Morphos to a wider audience, particularly with such low-priced hardware. I'm sure that this increases the chances of Morphos appearing on Pegasos 3 if/when such a thing is produced.

@everyone

AW.net has a bias towards OS4 yes, but we can't ignore whats else is going on in the world especially when the Morphos community is so closely linked with our own. Would you rather not hear about this news at all and be completely oblivious?


Here's an idea.... lets start a new site, call it say amigaos4world.net. Discussion and news can only be about OS4 and the only hardware that can be talked about is that which runs OS4. The rest of the world doesn't exist.
No one is allowed to mention Pegasos, Morphos, Windows, PC's, Mac's or any other computer. Also hardware that could potentially run OS4 is not allowed to be talked about i.e. PS3, unless OS4 is up and running and has a license from Amiga Inc. Oh, so that rules out Sam, Amy '05, Panda and the Powervixxen too. That leaves.. erm... Eyetech AmigaOne discussion.

Also its only viewable using Amiga browsers (running on genuine AmigaOS)

Sounds like a fun site?

Skunkfish

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Great news!!

MoprhOs is one of the new generation AOS (like Aos4 and Aros) so this is great news! Why "fanboys" thinks this is bad is totally sad :( Dont be so afraid, work together if you want to go somewhere!

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MoprhOs is one of the new generation AOS (like Aos4 and Aros) so this is great news! Why "fanboys" thinks this is bad is totally sad :( Dont be so afraid, work together if you want to go somewhere

AOS4 isnt a "new generation AOS", it IS AOS.

Back on topic: $199 is a great price, well done Genesi!

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AOS4 isnt a "new generation AOS", it IS AOS.

True, but he probably meant "new generation Amiga-like OS". For practical purposes, it doesn't matter though. MorphOS and AmigaOS4 are both "new generation" compared to previous AmigaOS versions, and each have pluses and minuses but people used to classic AmigaOS feel right at home with MorphOS. Classic app compatibility, product "roots," etc., have also been pointed out many times already. If "AOS" means AmigaOS(TM), then true, there is only one, and people who for some reason don't want to consider anything else are free to go that way.

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...well done Genesi!

Well done Genesi and MorphOS Team, let's emphasize. This is great news not only because of the product itself, but because it shows that parties who have seen some rocky times can find a way to work things out for mutual benefit. See any relevance here?

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...If "AOS" means AmigaOS(TM), then true, there is only one, and people who for some reason don't want to consider anything else are free to go that way.

If only there were somebody to help us see the light and the alternatives that are available. Alas, for "some reason" some of us just can't figure it out. I'm so lost but at least I am free.

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