What I'd like to know is..


What's Hyperions stance on this?

Has Amiga Inc tried to "buy" the Friedens services while also trying to buy OS4 back?

Has OS4 development stopped while this "legal" problem (with Hyperion) is ongoing?
(by this I mean Hyperions parts of OS4)

Will Amiga Inc. allow ANY hardware to get licence while the "legal" problem is ongoing?

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Will Amiga Inc. allow ANY hardware to get licence while the "legal" problem is ongoing?

Although the wording/phrasing might not be "spot on", I think you ask a legitimate
question regarding getting someone involved in someone else's affairs at this
juncture.
This thought could have been shaped into an excellent follow-up question.
Just my 2 cents.

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its time for less typing guys and more productivity.

I'd love to, but why can't someone give a straight answer then? Let someone come forward and say Samantha, Amy, PV and whatnot will get a license, and this is why they will get it? How come we are supposed to be productive when we can't see any apparent way forward? You probably has a lot more info on things than me (doesn't say much, I know nothing), why don't you share it with us?

All I want is straight answers for once, is that so hard?

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Zerohero:

I agree with you, a public and formal answer and not a pot purry like we have seen so far.

And such a job is not for individuals but company spokesmen and i have a feeling "just that" will come up very shortly.

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Recent developments could indicate that release of Amy 05 w/o explicit, direct license from AI is about to be attempted (McEwen's allusions to disputes with Hyperion, definite Amy 05 announcements leading up to BB4, cryptic post by Troika). I can imagine a horrible legal mess developing if that were the case. I hope that is avoided.

There is no way in h3ll that I spend money on a motherboard with an illegal copy of OS4. If that is what they are planning, then count me out.

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How come we are supposed to be productive when we can't see any apparent way forward?

So true...

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Could it be possible that Amiga inc paid Hyperion in 2004 to get access to the source code for OS4 so they could start developing OS5 based on that source code, assuming that OS4 was almost ready for release so that they could atleast get started and move the OS on without having to wait untill 4.0 was finished. OS 4.0 has taken far longer to be released than was expected and so they are alot father along with the development than they thought they would be when os 4 was ready.

it could also have been a deliberate tactic so they could have os5 ready for release within 6 months of OS 4, thereby regaining complete control of the OS. OS5 could be OS3.1 with an intent based replacement for workbench.

sorry if this makes little sense, i just say what comes into my head

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This is interesting. They want to share in developer's revenues. What does this mean? They take a slice from every developer for every piece of software sold that runs on the Amiga? That's what it sounds like. There was some similar language in the AmigaDE developers kit, as I remember.

Looks and smells like sofware tax to me (we already have a hardware tax). I'm keeping well away from that!

@TheMaskedMuchacho

I think that the plan has never changed. I just think it is all taking way longer than anyone thought it would. There was a document released years ago that laid out the plan. It covered OS4 up to OS5. The only differences I see between what has happened and the plan is that we stayed at Pre-release OS4 instead of going 4.0, 4.1, 4.2...4.5, 5.0. Featurewise the planned features got into Amiga OS. For OS5 this document says that Amiga OS goes 64 bit, gets memory protection and virtual memory support and runs on PPC and X86. These, it seems to me, are the features that the community has been asking for. Also I think that once OS4 was in portable C, with a hardware abstraction layer, that recompiling it and adding those features could be done in paralell with the finishing of OS4.

This is all quite separate from whether or not this has been going on at Amiga Inc.

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You probably has a lot more info on things than me (doesn't say much, I know nothing), why don't you share it with us?

Trust has been destroyed. There is no point in telling you guys anything because no matter what we tell you, you will not believe it and want more. The only thing that you guys will believe is shipping hardware you can buy and run OS4 on (yes, legally) and have fun programming et al.

So you see the bind we are in? Yes, many of us know a lot more than we are letting on but that doesn't matter. Nobody trusts anybody else and no matter what is shared, it is quickly attacked with tasteless jokes anyway. Trust has been destroyed. There is no other way forward with this community except shipping OS4 systems again in whatever form that may take.

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@ssolie

So again, please tell me why I should be productive then? I program for OS4, I enjoy the system, I do stuff to help others program for OS4, but when it comes to actually letting me know what the future holds, it's all silent. So you don't say anything because we're supposedly not trusting you, and I don't program because I see no future... See what I mean?

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So again, please tell me why I should be productive then? I program for OS4, I enjoy the system, I do stuff to help others program for OS4, but when it comes to actually letting me know what the future holds, it's all silent. So you don't say anything because we're supposedly not trusting you, and I don't program because I see no future... See what I mean?

It's simple dude. Just play their game back at them. Carry on coding and working on your projects, just don't tell anyone about it except a closed circle who can drop know-it-all hints, make holier-than-thou and self-righteous comments at frustrated users.

Now I want this IBM Artic PDA with AOS4

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Believe it or not, but that's way below my standards.

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@zerohero
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Believe it or not, but that's way below my standards.

Mine too, but it's clear that a number of people here get off on doing just that

@zerohero

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So you don't say anything because we're supposedly not trusting you, and I don't program because I see no future... See what I mean?

So far you have only heard some responses from Bill McEwen.

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Saturday there will undoubtedly be more information concerning both hardware
and the Friedens, as both are scheduled at BB4 either in person or through irc.
I suggest everyone just wait until the others have spoken before having a
"knee jerk" reaction to anything that has been mentioned to date.
Plenty of time for that later.
Let's support the good folks who have put a tremendous amount of time and money
into BB4 and respect them with our good behavior. Neither -they- nor the
exhibitors coming to this show should be placed in a position where -they- feel
like they have to become embroiled in these discussions about AI.

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Yes, but I don't like the idea of Amiga Inc buying back OS4. It sucks really because
we don't know #### about Amiga Inc's intensions or possibility to do some development
on it. Also the comment about OS5 being based on OS4 I believe when I see it.
This would mean Amiga Inc. have been planning OS4 development together with
Hyperion all this time. Also having access to the sources. What about all the developers
that code different tidbits in OS4?
No IMHO OS4 falling into the hands of Amiga Inc. is bad.

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So far you have only heard some responses from Bill McEwen.

Those "only some responses from Bill McEwen" are the closest thing to straight answers I've heard in years, or so they seem to me at least. Why is that? It's not like the questions weren't there before, just that no one wanted/cared to answer them, or just ignored them altogether. My point still stands though, where are we going?

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@number6

I suspect all we're going to get from the Friedens on this topic is "Don't ask me, I just write the code", which may not be all that far from the truth anyway.

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I can understand ssolie, Hyperion and others involved in OS 4 and hardware. The
Frieden brothers once got so sick and tired of all lies going around that they
stayed out of forums completly. People are attacking those who bring Amiga forward
and does something at all, and I don't understand why. I agree on that it's frustrating
not to know the exact plans of Amiga Inc, OS 4 vs OS 5 etc but really, through
the years ever since AOS 4 was discussed at Hyperions ML it's been lots of hard
words, suspision, lies and god knows what all the time so... I don't blame them!
They've choosen this attitude for a reason and those who are allways making
jokes at their expense are the ones to blame. I don't blame the Friden brothers
or Troika or Eytech or...... How much c**p did Alan had to put up with?

Has anyone been at the IBrowse ML? OMG!!!!! People are going crazy from time to
time.

I don't like to not know but I can understand it completly.