@Billt

I'd just like to say that I have previously e-mailed Amiga Inc about hardware licensing and I did get a helpful response about their requirements...

Unfortunately I don't, as of yet, have either the funding or the man-power to really do much beyond looking into it...

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I really don't understand some comments that are made here about this OS5 thing

Bill clearly indicated that it is being built upon OS4...
the OS4 project took far more time than expected,and I must admit I totally agree with AInc starting the development of OS5 parallel,back there in 2004.,if that really is the case...
With Vista coming, and new MacOS,OS4 is getting out of date...

It is a perfect OS far as I'm concerned,on the short term...but on the long term,Amiga needs a more competitive and inovative OS for Amiga to be mainstream again!!!

It would be a nonsense,if you ask me,to WAIT FOR OS4 to be released(it STILL ISN'T officially),and ONLY THEN START DEVELOPING platform-independent OS5!!!!


That would mean that OS5 innovative solutions would come around the year...2010!
It just wouldn't be innovative any more by that time

What good would it do?That way Amiga OS would always be 3-4 years behind the others

There is no time for waiting around,Amiga needs a killer app,a killer OS soon,to become competitive again,OS4 is a perfect base to build upon,OS5 is the future...

I for once,cannot blame Bill for having A DREAM,one vision a lot of you out here forgot a long time ago...
I only wish Bill will be capable of realizing it!!

@ironfist

If your question is who "owns" hyperion, it's Ben Hermans and another guy (not sure of the name, Ben seems to be more well known). As stated, the Friendens work for Hyperion. I'm sure you are aware that business is a funny thing, there can be disagreements at the top, even involving legal disputes, that don't prevent continuation of the work at the lower levels. I'm not saying this is happening here, just that things like this aren't always clear cut.

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I really don't understand some comments that are made here about this OS5 thing

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Bill clearly indicated that it is being built upon OS4...

Erm, I don't think he did, but from the comments it's probably a safe bet.

Also, several of the comments in this thread were from before it was clarified that OS5 was NOT built on intent, so people were working on conspiracy theories again

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@neonlite

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Bill clearly indicated that it is being built upon OS4...

Did he? Where?

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I am quite astonished about the fact that OS5 is being developed more than 2 years now!!!
I never hoped it would be allready this far into production!

I only hope that Hyperion gets properly paid from AInc for what they have done.My soution would be that Hyperion gets a percentage of sell from every OS5 sold,if OS5 would be finished soon,replacing OS4 in the start...
After all Hyperion did create this exellent OS4 base on top of which AInc will create even greater(meaning OS5)

And if they port it to cell PS3 in the next 1-2 years!!!!!!Whoaaaa....
We're off into space!
There would be no more boundaries holdin us down...
The financial and HW-SW posibilities would be enormous

I personally am pleasently shocked that Bill mentioned the PS3 thing,but rather dissapointed that nothing has been done about it yet...

Dissapointed also about no concrete info or projects

Someone shoul legally ban phrases like ˝I can't say anything right now˝,or ˝Not being able do discuss it yet˝...!!!
arrgggghhh...

Dont sony get a %age for every title sold ? In Europe all playstation titles ship with either a SCES number or SLES number, depending on whether its a sony title or a licenced title. Surely any release of OS4 on a PS3 would have to have a contract drawn up between hyperion, sony us*, sony japan*, sony europe* and amiga inc and go through rigerous sony testing.

My conern about OS4 on the PS3 is OS4's reputation.
If OS4 goes on sale in Aldi, Asda, Walmart, whatever next to Fifa2007, Vicecity and dad walks past with his bag of groceries and thinks... 'I used to have an amiga when i was a kid'. With his reasonable ammount of disposable income, he buys himself a copy.

He goes home, put his milk and eggs in the fridge, gets a beer out and chucks os4 disc in the PS3.

A few seconds later the guy confronted with workbench and the tutorial starts.

Whatever browser that had made it into OS4, he proceeds to fire up.

He does a google for aminet gets down deluxe galaga, his favour game as a kid, or a demo or to two show his 8 year old son about old computers, tries to run it and OS4 reapers.

He is going to take it back to the shop the next time he needs a loaf of bread. 4 or 5 returns and that shop will stop stocking it.

If OS4 goes to the PS3 its gotta be rock solid and 99% crash proof either be able to run legacy apps transparently by incorperating uae or have its own chipset emulation layer, or OS4 has got to be clever enough to chuck these system taking down programs out before the do any damage with a polite window not some thing as confusing as the grim reaper.

*Seperate teritorial publishing domains.

typos

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@ neonlite

"I am quite astonished about the fact that OS5 is being developed more than 2 years now!!!
I never hoped it would be allready this far into production!"

Let's assume mr. x has some nice products in the work for over two years now. Does that mean mr. x is close to finalization of them? Sadly not, if mr. x was more qualified and did a full time work on it he might have reached taht current development state in two weeks.

Thus, two years of development may mean anything.

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@neonlite who wrote
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There is no time for waiting around,Amiga needs a killer app,a killer OS soon,to become competitive again,OS4 is a perfect base to build upon,OS5 is the future..

Also note the following statement:

Bill McEwen
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OS 5 will run on more than one family of processors.

Even if it's just hot air, it shows that Amiga Inc. are interested to open up AOS to other CPU's, e.g. x86.

Why did they already (allegedly) start development of OS5 in 2004?
Quote from the leaked contract
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Amiga shall be deemed to have halted development of the Classic Amiga OS in the event that no substantially new version of the Classic Amiga OS for the Target Hardware is released within 6 (six) months after the completion of OS 4.0 by Hyperion.

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I am surprised at how little has been made of his comment about Troika: It appears that they do not have a license, and that they have not even begun discussions for one. In fact it is very unlikely that license will even ever be considered, unless they suddenly start earning $500,000...

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I am surprised at how little has been made of his comment about Troika: It appears that they do not have a license, and that they have not even begun discussions for one. In fact it is very unlikely that license will even ever be considered, unless they suddenly start earning $500,000...

Maybe it's because it doesn't come as a surprise to anyone. At least it doesn't surprise *me* (note my previous comments on Troika).

>Erm, I don't think he did, but from the comments it's probably a safe bet.

>Also, several of the comments in this thread were from before it was clarified that >OS5 was NOT built on intent, so people were working on conspiracy theories again

@will,sam:

the indication means,he did not said it directly,but he said sth to conclude it from...
OS5 is not built on intent...
OS5 is probably OS4 with intent built into it,implemented,as was the original plan..
but heck,who knows,we all can just sit and wait...again
tired of waiting, mind you...

just wondering,why would AInc pay any kind of money to Hyperion for a buy-back of OS4,if they didn't have no use of it,if it wasn't in fact a building ground for OS5?

conspiracy theory they did,but logic seems to differ...

anyway,postive thinking for me,from now on...

Hi,

Well I must say that I admire the Amiga Inc way for struggeling and doing their best to keep their promised path. I'm not a TAO fan but I'm sure Amiga Inc. only does things they believe will bring success.

OS5 sounds very exiting even if there is nothing out there yet to say if it has the "Amiga feeling". I'm hoping that Hyperion staff can merge with that project after OS4 is out. If Amiga Inc. wants the community to join and cheer for that marathon race we need to feel the true Amiga spririt in OS5.

I really hope that the HW situation for OS4 is solved a.s.a.p so we can start using and expanding the Amiga community and some money starts rolling in to Hyperion.

I understand that Amiga Incs. requirements for accepting a HW for OS4 are tough to meet... but I'm afraid that many of the current projects won't reach these requirements... that could be devastating for Hyperion... and us.

Thanks Amiga Inc for letting us know your view of the situation.
I wish you the best of luck with all things you are doing. Let's hope the negative trend is broken and we all can unite for a positive future!

/Xter

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I am surprised at how little has been made of his comment about Troika: It appears that they do not have a license, and that they have not even begun discussions for one. In fact it is very unlikely that license will even ever be considered, unless they suddenly start earning $500,000...

..But they have been in talks with Hyperion.. Hyperion own OS 4 (at the moment at least..)

@Zylesea

Read again...
they barely survived as a company(or could say they didn't ,got a new owner),
and you expect them to finish OS5 by now?

don't want to go into this but...

you don't know what to expect from OS5 and it's possibilities
maybe it'll be equivalent to Vista,or maybe it won't...
probably it'll be somewhat different than what we've seen of OSestill now.

either way...
4 years is nothing comapred to,say,Vista development...and they have an army of programmers working on it...

So is ther a point in discussing the longitude?

I believe if everything goes well these days,the Samantha,the Troika soon,official OS4 out soon,I believe AInc will pick up the pace...

neonlite:
"With Vista coming, and new MacOS,OS4 is getting out of date..."

Hehe!
When was AmigaOS 4.0 ever in date?

EDIT:
"Currently today there is only one company with a contract that
can ship AmigaOS 4 with their hardware, and that is Eyetech."

This proves that Troika has no license what-so-ever. They have
not finished the license talks like some here wants to think.

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I pretty much doubt there is a thing called OS5 in development right now.
After all, these promises come from the mouths of ppl claiming that PPC os4 was "On schedule and rocking" to be released in a couple of weeks time, back in 01.

Regarding the technology of OS5, I fail to understand how it can be used in processors of different families and still be a continuation of OS4. OS4 has very (VERY!) specific hardware requirement like all real OSes ... processor type, northbridge, bios ( ... AND DONGLE!) etc.... best case for OS5 multi-cputype compatibility is that it will have a kernel version for each supported cpu type and on top of that kernel, a vm environment like DE will run. In theory that would do it but then there are some things we first have to wonder about :
1) this plan requires a gigantic amount of effort (OS4 * 10 ~ 15) from a company who has financial difficulties.

2) in order to get development going you would have to hire experienced senior project managers and system engineers, to organise and manage the development teams. suppose they can pay these ppl to get to work with the 150 software developers they just hired. Why noone heard about this whole project? I mean, u could easily keep secret a project that u develop at home, on your own, or with a buddy of yours but it is impossible when it comes to projects of that scale.

3) Why? Everyone seems to associate the name "Amiga" with 80's/early 90's home computing. Noone cares about desktop/portable/alternative/run_everywhere computing. There are much more proven/supported solutions in that field out there (and they have been for a decade now) (Java for portability, Win XP for support, OSX for quality, qnx for RTOS, Linux and BSD for server jobs).

Sadly, I believe that everything Bill promises is once again an absurd lie. I pretty much hope that they will finally realise that OS4 is dying in their hands, and decide to grant Genesi a license for PEG2.
Actually I think that this whole licensing parody was thought as an easy way to cash in from the amiga brand while sitting on their a**es and doing nothing usefull. They probably thought that the mainstream computer ppl would go mad upon hearing that new "amiga" products are out .....

http://www.amiga.org/modules/news/article.php?storyid=6955 - updated answers on amiga.org

Clears up some of the confusion over OS5.

(Edited due to typos)

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http://www.amiga.org/modules/news/article.php?storyid=6955 - updated answers on amiga.org Clears up some of the confusion over OS5.

There is no mention at all of OS5 by Bill whatsoever. In fact, half the quotes people are making of Bill's answer don't exist in the news item either. And only 9 answers? Have I missed something???

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Have I missed something???

Yes, you probably missed pages two and three of the interview.