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hardware OS4   hardware OS4 : Bill McEwen interview at the Temple Of Technology
   posted by VidarL on 7-Oct-2006 11:16:31 (14399 reads)
The Temple of Technology have posted an interview with Bill McEwen regarding recent events and their plans ahead.

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Re: Bill McEwen interview at the Temple Of Technology
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Why on earth are you waiting? you already have what you want, it's called AROS.

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hey boys, came back on the earth planet ! Thanks.


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hey boys, came back on the earth planet ! Thanks.


Earth planet sucks!! long live to Dream planet an their rainbow moons


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Re: Bill McEwen interview at the Temple Of Technology
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This interview has been slashdotted:
http://slashdot.org/articles/06/10/07/1442206.shtml

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Re: Bill McEwen interview at the Temple Of Technology
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This thread seems to have missed the critical points of this interview with Bill.

OS4 planned to go on PS3!!!! - and other PPC consoles!

If Peg owners actually want OS4 on their machine, it wil come because OS4 has made a splash in PS3 territory, money is flowing, and old problems will look different from that perspective than they do now.

PS3 OS4 means Amiga HW branding/ licensing policy has to change, and what is more is planned to change, to accomodate this.

RUSKUN!! pay attention to what it does - expertise in a lot of bibs and bobs, but its real backbone is in porting - to whit a sophisticated system of maintaining pristine code capable of swift porting.

That means developers surrendering their code to be reformatted, cleaned-up, debugged for multi-cpu compatable, recompiled and made available simultaneously for all HW platforms - allows for some real marketing edge in consolidation of retailing, but that is by the way.

That may be the reason why RUSKUN is planned to increase from a healthy 48 (+or- 5 Amiga Inc programmers) to 108!!

108, even 48 +or- 5 is something big in our little world, but 108 (perhaps 113) software engineers is big by most measures.

Amiga has moved away from Tao it seems - I am not very happy about it, but such is life. I only hope that if I am right about the Developer support program that RUSKUN may represent that Tao VP is retained as one of the port platforms (pretty please!).

Plus the money is there, finally, RUSKUN was not given away. A good whack of money when you think what a purchase means. No one in their right-mine would squander all, or most of their capital on RUSKUN. Their pockets have to be deeper to cover actually pulling this thing off. So what Amiga Inc seems to have behind it is capital equal to RUSKUN + Development - millions (hopefully not in US dollars - due to seriously inflate).

Whatever OS5 is planned to be, it will resemble AmigaOS, hopefully in what matters OS wise and not in terms of legacy-ware as far as I am concerned. While OS4 has a huge potential market in modern consoles and this has been touted as a policy by Bill (thanks!).

OS4 on Consoles creates a need for OS4 on desktop (and other roles - home servers), please keep that in mind.

But for all those that simply want an opportunity to Bill-bash keep going, enjoy your hour in the sun. Lots could still go wrong, but put two and two together and you will see that it does make 4 and not 5 as some seem to contend.

I would have preferred going the Tao route, I make no bones about that, no doubt there were non-technical reasons why this approach has been dropped (hopefully not forever) - more is the pity. What is clearly being planned is multi-platform compiles with bells-on, the key in this is Bill's mention "You support them in the method and way that we are going to support them."

Interesting times!


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Posted on 9-Oct-2006 2:35:27
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The only thing I can associate Ruskun is with IMAP.


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This thread seems to have missed the critical points of this interview with Bill.

OS4 planned to go on PS3!!!! - and other PPC consoles!


Did I miss something here? Where does he say OS4 is planned to go on PS3? All I see is Bill using PS3 as an example PowerPC system.


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Posted on 9-Oct-2006 5:15:43
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@BobW

From the first interview:

Quote:
21. Would Amiga Inc. support/encourage Hyperion to port AOS4 to the PS3? Given Eyetech's apparent withdrawal from the Amiga hardware market, and the prohibitive cost of producing adequate PowerPC-based hardware in sufficient numbers, surely a port to Sony's CELL-based system is now the only realistic chance for the platform to return to the mass-market.

Bill McEwen -- I have had conversations with the Friedens about this, and once we have the legal situation resolved then we can put that horse before the cart. If we can not do it with OS 4, then I am sure the FIVE can take care of that issue.


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Give me ONE reason to be positive about Amiga Inc. and it might work.


TBH, although I want to support Amiga Inc, because despite all the problems they have caused I do believe their intentions are basically good, and I doubt we would have got OS4 without them, I have to conceed that until they produce some sort of result there is no real reason to be positive about them.

I prefer to keep an open mind for now, but then I've not really been stung by any of the past debacles. (Actually I did pay $50 for the infamous club membership, but I joined late, by which time it was obvious it was just a way to support the company, so I never really expected much back from it - and I did get my T-shirt in the end. )

As for all the people claiming that they don't care about OS5 if it isn't based on OS3/4 I think that's a rather silly position to take - at least until the new OS is unveiled. It would be quite possible to write a modern OS based upon previous Amiga operating systems (with some improvements of course) without re-using a single line of code. Actually, I think there might be a couple such projects already!

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BM>> Do you want a new OS, or a new website? Just joking, we are working on a new site, and we expect to have it out shortly.


Oh dear. I sincerely hope they do a better job. The current site was an update too.

*ponders*


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This thread seems to have missed the critical points of this interview with Bill.


You seem to have read another interview.

Quote:
OS4 planned to go on PS3!!!! - and other PPC consoles!


No.

Besides, even if McEwen had actually said anything like that, it would still contain the word "planned".

I applied the Cox Filter to the interview. Disregard anything by AInc/McEwen that's written in the future tense, and disregard any sentence containing the word "excited". Then I removed all the non-replies (wait and see, can't say, et c.), and this is all that's left:

Quote:
"It was time to let everyone know that we are still moving ahead, and that we are progressing with our plans. We had been quiet for far too long, and I went to the board and asked that we change that and get back to the community. The community is an important asset to Amiga, and it is time that they are treated that way. "

"We have a schedule, ..."

"There are 5 on the [OS5] team at this time, ..."

Fleecy is still in charge of development.

"We are using a new development method and strategy that will ..."

"We have received several e-mails already from interested developers who want to join the team." [=developing for "OS5", not the OS itself]

"In 1997 when I met Fleecy at the Minneapolis St. Paul airport waiting for a plane to Sioux City Iowa we established the concept and vision of a scalable, embeddable, multi-threaded, memory protected operating system or digital environment that would run from a cell phone to a server."

"ADI (Amiga Development India) serves three purposes for Amiga. The first is that it establishes a presence and office in one of the fastest growing economies in the world. ... The second item that ADI offers is a suite of great technologies and products that we acquired as part of the purchase. ... The third is their continuing development business which is continuing and is the main focus of that division of our company. They have numerous customers and contracts that they are serving ..."

"We [ex-Ruksun] currently have 52 employees and 48 are software engineers."

"No, that [core OS development] is not their [Ruksun's] skill set."

"The Cell processor is used by Xbox 360, Nintendo Wii (stupid name by the way), and Playstation 3."

"Of course we made a great many mistakes, and I take full responsibility for those mistakes." [Really? So, he has resigned? The debts have been payed? All contracts and obligations have been fulfilled? AInc is on schedule and rocking again? Cool! :P]
"There are so many differences from what I was and what I am today, I am hardly the same person. We are a much more careful company with far more detailed plans, and we are taking steps that keep us in focus on the target."

"We simply did not have the financial backing to accomplish what we needed to accomplish. The financial decisions that were made then are not the decisions that we are making today. The operations run very differently than they did then, and I am held accountable by a board of directors and Chairman that I check in daily with. We have a schedule, plans, goals, and milestones that I and the rest of the team are held to. The board of directors are international in nature, and are all highly successful people. ..."

"So while I can only say that I am sorry for what has transpired in the past, ..."

"Thank you."





Edit: Of course the interview gets rather pointless after applying the Cox Filter, since it loses it's only value: that freakshow kind of entertainment.

Last edited by Seehund on 09-Oct-2006 at 01:27 PM.


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Why on earth are you waiting? you already have what you want, it's called AROS.

AROS is still unusable for anyone but the devs working on it. It lacks software and it does not seem to fully support one single half modern x86 box. If more devs did join the team, then it could indeed be interesting in the future, but it is sadly far from that point yet. All you can use it for now, is basicly play with the gui and try out the few demo apps.

My opinion is that the main problem with Aros, is that they try to support all kinds of x86 hardware, which means that none will be fully supported. I dont call a gfx card running on for example a vesa driver for supported, as it has nowhere near the same features or perfomance as a real driver.

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My God, you really do hate bananas dont you?

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May he dance in peace.... http://www.funfilesandsmiles.com/smileys/banana.htm (some offensive images inside)

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Poster: jorkany Date: 9-Oct-2006 2:11:47

This interview has been slashdotted:
http://slashdot.org/articles/06/10/07/1442206.shtml


Why people are so violent against Amiga.Perhaps is the human reaction to destroy all that they do not know, all that they fear

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Strewth!! It's Banana Nirvana!

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it does not matter what do you do to her:



Long live to the dancing bananas!!!!

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To be on-topic (for a change) I dont know what to think of Mr McEwens interview. He has promised far too much in the past and his answers are very light on any detail. I wish him luck though and can only hope what he says will happen. Time will tell as the old saying goes.

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Quote:

AROS is still unusable for anyone but the devs working on it. It lacks software and it does not seem to fully support one single half modern x86 box.


It does run on close to all x86 boxes.
It does support a few graphics adapters, a few network cards etc.
But it is of course not usable as your main system nor any other amiga platform is.

Quote:

If more devs did join the team, then it could indeed be interesting in the future, but it is sadly far from that point yet. All you can use it for now, is basicly play with the gui and try out the few demo apps.


And play some old games with E-UAE, paint some nice pictures (Lunapaint) make some multimedia apps (Hollywood)...

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My opinion is that the main problem with Aros, is that they try to support all kinds of x86 hardware, which means that none will be fully supported. I dont call a gfx card running on for example a vesa driver for supported, as it has nowhere near the same features or perfomance as a real driver.


Well there is at least a GForce driver but there should be more drivers, thats true.

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