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hardware OS4   hardware OS4 : Bill McEwen interview at the Temple Of Technology
   posted by VidarL on 7-Oct-2006 11:16:31 (14418 reads)
The Temple of Technology have posted an interview with Bill McEwen regarding recent events and their plans ahead.

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Re: Bill McEwen interview at the Temple Of Technology
Posted on 7-Oct-2006 20:10:53
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fact is that there is money @ amiga inc .
That money had to come from investors. And believe me, nobody gives presents as big as that company in India.

I am more or less a believer this time.


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You`re having a giraffe aren`t you? It`s the same crap from 5 years ago.


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it is the same... but if it's crap... I do not know. Why should he dig it up after five years when he has nothing ? Once again... investors do not give presents. And his answers in this interview seem rather honest.

After five years he does deserve a second chance altough many would say it is already his 10th chance . I can not blame these people... I am not very far from that line also.... but I guess it is just my feeling.

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investors do not give presents.


Yeah, Dig!

It's interesting that Bill specifically went to the board to ask that communications are reinstated with 'the community'. I am sure this confirms that their 'core' products are going to be based around AmigaOS.

It's interesting that they approached Hyperion (and who knows, others) to do an OS5 kernel. People scoff at the 'better than MacOSX' remark but if AmigaOS is to compete with any modern OS it needs an all new kernel for sure. This coincidence supports this.

I can see how they have already ploughed 2 years work into OS5 already without any kernel work being started - many people use this as a stick to bash Bill with. However you can ensure that you are building towards the OS you want by working on standards, frameworks and Libraries. The kernel is pretty much superfluous to the contribution to a great OS as long as it is efficient, stable and secure. Amiga Inc were pretty much doing this with the DE project when I used to hang on the dev lists. Going back to MacOSX - how many Mac heads in the real world can tell you they are running BSD.

All in all, this is all very interesting.

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@Colin camper

What about this scenario : OS5 is build uppon Java, the JVM will be the kernel !? Did sun already produced such an OS ?

Just my two cents...

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Sorry, I just have to:

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If OS5 isnt compatible with OS4 software, I dont think I want it.

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@Colin_Camper

Quote:
All in all, this is all very interesting.


Agreed. I'll take it all with a grain of salt and see what comes of it. I wouldn't be sad to see Amiga Inc finally suceed at this point. Some are probably hoping they fail again just so they can say "I told you so" and call people "blind followers" (you know who you are). But for me, I take what Bill says at face value and try not to put too much hope into it. If it turns out as good as he claims, then great! We all will benefit. If it fails, then we still have OS4 to build upon.

For those saying they don't want OS5, I have to ask: How do you know? You have never even seen the final product, and yet you claim you are not interested and don't want it. If you have never seen it or used it, then you cannot form an educated opinion of it. You don't even know what it is yet... Stop being such mindless Homers.

There are a few things I've learned from the past couple of years while waiting for OS4 to come about :

1) I don't care anymore who the hardware comes from... If it's good hardware and it runs OS4, I'll buy it.

2) All "Amiga companies" have done some good things and some bad things for the community. I'm tired of the blame game from both camps. I'm glad to see Genesi making something good with their hardware. I'm glad to see Amiga making some positive headway with their software and newly aquired companies. Why can't we be happy to see both sides doing something positive?

3) Time does heal most things, and nothing is impossible when you keep pushing forward. Never say never... anything can be accomplished with the right circumstances

4) Pessimists are going to be negative regardless of what happens, and optimists are always going to be positive regardless of what happens.

5) We could all use a little more understanding and co-opertion with on another and stop bashing and blaming "the other side". We are all human and neither side is without blame for something.

6) Everyone should have another chance to prove themself.

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@Herewegoagain

+1

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OS5 is the same OS5 that Amiga inc envissioned in 2003 or whenever they where last alive. Its the AmigaDE or intent, only, the difference between now and then is that, there is no incorporation of the original AmigaOS.

I was a great optimist years ago. But i dont see any sign from Amiga inc that they're keeping the Amiga alive. Bill seems to be choosing his words carefully.

Dont hold your breath people.

It seems they have something in the pipe line and Bill is stringing the Amiga community a long, so that when it comes out, there are hords of little teeny devotees to spread the word!

You wont be getting what you expect.

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Time to get out the popcorn

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*Applaud* That's gotta be the most sensible post I've read on here in a long time.

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Well, for my two cents worth, Enough talk, show me the end product I hope Amiga inc can pull it off, but, my main area of concern is compatibility with OS4. Will there be a natural migration path?

Also, I have grown very skeptical with Amiga companies over the years that promised us "the promised land" so to speak. Until I see it, I'll take everything said with that already mentioned, "Pinch of Salt"


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Agreed 100%.

IMO Genesi and Amiga Inc both deserve a second chance, it wouldn't be bad if somehow the AmigaOS and MorphOS communities could benefit from common efforts at some point. If only the attacks of yesteryear don't start again as nobody really benefited from that. I would never be sad to see any Amiga-related party do well.

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but, my main area of concern is compatibility with OS4. Will there be a natural migration path?


At least that's not impossible, we know Amiga Inc has AmigaOnes running AmigaOS4 and also some prototype PPC PDA which sadly didn't hit the market.

AmigaOS is very modular, complete OS sections can easily be substituted with alternative components and thus allows for fairly easy legacy compatibility testing. Also an AmigaOS4 box approach like MacOS would otherwise be possible, but that wouldn't sound like a seamless approach to me.

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A POV i can only second, thank you

 
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... Amiga has been working on OS5 for almost 2 years ...

3.) How many people are working on OS5 at the moment?

BM>> There are 5 on the team at this time

And we are still supposed to take him seriously, that "OS5 ... is going to be much better than OSX from Apple"?!? Think of how much resources Apple has (and has spent on OSX over the years), which is still tiny compared to Microsoft. And now we are supposed to believe that 5 people in a garage (so to speak) are going to beat Apple? (Yes, I know they are looking to get more people, but his answers mean that not much can have been achieved yet, IMHO.)

And his unwillingness to answer "Will OS5 be based on any code from OS3 or OS4?" rather suggests that it won't, too any great degree (except perhaps through a UAE-like or sand-box solution).

Still, it does sound interesting, but really I won't believe it till I see it. You know what they say about the boy who cried wolf - and both Bill & Fleecy have already done so at least once before (twice if you include Fleecy's community KOSH project).


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OS5 is the same OS5 that Amiga inc envissioned in 2003 or whenever they where last alive. Its the AmigaDE or intent, only, the difference between now and then is that, there is no incorporation of the original AmigaOS.

why do you even bother writing this considering that the only confirmed information about a possible amigaos5 clearly states that this is not the case. even back then when the roadmap for amigaos5 was shown to be platform independent, it was made clear that the amigade product wasnt it.

Quote:
And we are still supposed to take him seriously, that "OS5 ... is going to be much better than OSX from Apple"?!? Think of how much resources Apple has (and has spent on OSX over the years), which is still tiny compared to Microsoft. And now we are supposed to believe that 5 people in a garage (so to speak) are going to beat Apple?

better at what exactly? as a fullblown operatingsystem with all the bells and whistles? then there is a long way to go and a lot of work to be done.

however, its not at all unrealistic for a very small team doing a few years to make the core for an operatingsystemaiming thats technical able to rival or beat the other big players. what requires the big manpower is when you are aiming for the broad desktop market and has to produce and include all the little tidbits, programs and utilities thats expected to rival windows.

so considering that we dont have any information regarding their plans, target segments or technical merrits, there really isnt a lot to read from that statement and no founding for calling him a liar or claiming it to be unrealistic.

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dan.hutch:
The PDA was an IBM prototype. It never ever materialized and
AFAIK there have never been any other PPC PDA.

They are all Xscale and ARM. Forget about PPC in the PDA market.


Who said anything about PPC?

One of Amiga Incs ambitions is to build an OS that runs on pretty much any processor.

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Please read the 25 Q&A again. Intent is not what OS 5 will be based on!

Also... "OS 4 is fake, there will never be........."

"We will never get any new hardware........"

"The JIT emulator will never work......"

"The Radeon drivers will never be ready......"

"DMA won't work....."

What do these comments have in common?

I guess that I could go on and on and on but how fun is it?

Does anyone want to guess at why Bill doesn't visit aw.net... or ann.lu? It's really
weird, isn't it?

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