Frankly, I don't beleive anymore in AmiZilla.

Thanks to Joerg and Marçik, OS4 and MOS2 have some "up to date" browsers.

I prefer send money to them instead of something dead for a long time (in my opinion).

By the way, don't even tink of launching FireFox on Efika (128Mb RAM, remember?).

So, sorry but for me (who really believed in Amizilla years ago), I think this is over and that the money we gave is now lost.

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We understand your frustration K-L, turns out Firefox is a hard one to port. It will happen though. The achievements that Joerg and Marçik have made are outstanding.

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The donate link does not work for me - only me having problems?

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Did you use the one at the top? Try again, it works fine.

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Errors found while checking this document as HTML 3.2! - "The following missing or conflicting information caused the validator to perform guesswork prior to validation. If the guess or fallback is incorrect, it may make validation results entirely incoherent. It is highly recommended to check these potential issues, and, if necessary, fix them and re-validate the document."

Kind of awkward, would you not say?

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This is an unrealistic and pointless exercise in website redesign. The development guidelines are a joke. I'm sorry if you feel this comment is overly negative but this is the cold hard truth. Personally I would be very happy to see Mozilla on Amiga but trying to put a lot of money in a jar and hoping someone is going to bite off a massive project like this is naive and futile.

You need someone with real commercial programming experience to

1. Go through the source tree for Firefox and all its dependencies
2. Break down the code into much smaller components
3. Define criteria for validation and testing
4. Determine individual bounties for components
5. Define a proper set of requirements and guidelines
6. Handle integration of components and packaging

I am sure that you could find an Amigan with the requisite skills who would do it for a few thousand US$. That would only be 15-20% of the current pot. The rest would be assigned to the various components' bounties by this manager person depending on the priority and difficulty. As more money gets donated this could be added to the individual bounties.

Finding the right person to manage it could be quite difficult and ideally you need that person for the whole project, so the bounty for the manager should increase as an incentive to keep them on the project. e.g.

Tasks 1-5 above = US$2000
Validating and signing off components -
First 10% of components = $200, next 10% = $300, etc...

I love this quote, from the FAQ:

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Amiga One and Pegasos system sales can go thru the roof!

This one is pretty amuzing too:

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Imagine a world where your general purpose computer user that just needs internet access would be free from the illegal practices of companies trying to control/monopolize their whole computing experience.

Personally I always thought that this requirement will put-off quite a few people:
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3. The AmiZilla Project must fully compile with running binaries on each of the following Amiga-like OS's: OS3.1, OS3.5+, MorphOS native version, Amiga OS 4.0 native version, UAE, Amithlon, DraCo.

It would make far more sense to just say "OS3.9, MorphOS native & Amiga OS 4.0 native".

It might even make sense to only say "OS3.9 (but also runs under 68k emulation on MorphOS & Amiga OS 4.0)", since MOS & OS4 native ports should be quite easy for someone with experience of those OSes.

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Imagine a world where your general purpose computer user that just needs internet access would be free from the illegal practices of companies trying to control/monopolize their whole computing experience.

Yikes, attack of the tinfoil hat brigades! Even if one assumes that all that paranoia is even remotely valid these days, with Apple's growing market share and Google proving that MS is no longer a serious threat to anyone, it's still so goofy... haven't these guys heard of Linux, for crying out loud?

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You need someone with real commercial programming experience to 1. Go through the source tree for Firefox and all its dependencies 2. Break down the code into much smaller components 3. Define criteria for validation and testing 4. Determine individual bounties for components 5. Define a proper set of requirements and guidelines 6. Handle integration of components and packaging

I would suggest umisef, but I suppose he does not have the time for this task..
and maybe unfortunately even a quite lack of lust to put his heart in something amiga related..

I'm sorry but I fail to get the point of this announcement...

It's been 5 years (5 !) since this project has been announced... And you make a big announcement of a new design of the website ?!

Seems like it clearly failed to me... Maybe it's time to admit it. And either do something about it, or simply close it... But please, please... stop making useless announcements like this one.

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I like the new website design.

I really like koan's idea for splitting the bounty into smaller components, starting with a bounty to organise the whole process.

@Amigo1

A Manager cutting AmiZilla down to smaller manageable chunks is a nice idea. Anton should be told about this, he is managing the project. We only sponsor the contest.

@Leo

We understand your frustration, as the sponsor of this contest we would like to see this wrap up too. The mailing list and Sourceforge page is the place to keep track of what the programmers are doing. AmiZilla is a contest that anyone can win.

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I used the one at the top and it still dosn't work - i use Internet Explorer!

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Since this is a bounty page to port Firefox to an alternate OS maybe you should use a different browser, LOL.




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Obsolete information removed from FAQ.

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Good luck with the project.

It's really a shame that the support for this project was so weak to begin with. It should have raised much much more mooney back when it was launched but the number of donations is dissapointing.

IMHO we should have been able to raise so much money that developers could almost accept it as a normally paid job.

Also the rules might have turned a lot of developers off and perhaps still do?

EDIT: I am considering making another donation, will money be given back if Firefox is not available in a given timeframe?

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Thanks to Joerg and Marçik, OS4 and MOS2 have some "up to date" browsers. I prefer send money to them instead of something dead for a long time (in my opinion).

I put money into the Amizilla bounty for a Mozilla port. I don't want a different product, I want what I paid for. And I don't want my payment going to a different product, no matter how great it may be. I'd rather not see bounties getting into the habit of taking money for one thing and then paying to another thing. If a bounty turns out not going to pay for the item advertized to the donors, then the money should be returned to them (prorating any interest gained as well to everyone) and then they can decide if they want to invest their own money into bounties for different products. Some people will happily do so, others may not, and their choice should not be taken away from them.

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Since this is a bounty page to port Firefox to an alternate OS maybe you should use a different browser, LOL.

I knew this comment would come - If we're going to be religious about browsers I can find another project to support.

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bitman, it was just a joke. Just tested with IE 7, works fine.

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