must be a slow connection. usually walking over and banging at ones door might bring sooner results.

@DiscreetFX:
Great news indeed.

To all the naysayers:
It doesn't exactly help to be negative does it. For every negative comments you make at least 100 lines of code are not written and for every 100 negative comment a user leave the community.

Instead of putting time into talking negative about Amiga go out and use whatever you find amusing.

Once again. Keep the hope up DiscreetFX. If you fail, at least I will forgive you and hope you try again.

@Skuggan

Agreed, we don't have to develop versions of Aladdin 4D for AmigaOS & MorphOS. We don't have to develop or sell anything in this community at all. We do so because we enjoy those operating systems. But if that user-base does not want us developing for them Apple is worth over 500 billion dollars. We could easily just disappear down the OS X Lion developer hole to be never heard from in this community again. If we did so we would follow in the footsteps of many famous Amiga development houses. Amiga is known best for the developers that it has lost.

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@Skuggan:

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Instead of putting time into talking negative about Amiga

Who's talking negative about Amiga? We're talking negative about DiscreetFX.

And they obviously like that, given the amount of time and effort they've been putting into getting more negative Feedback during the last decade, so it's actually a win/win for everyone.

Stop spoiling the fun please.

@cgutjahr

Point taken, how many including you would prefer that we never develop anything for AmigaOS or MorphOS again?

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how many including you would prefer that we never develop anything for AmigaOS or MorphOS again?

"Again"? Care to list any Amiga software you "developed" so far?

I know you're a major player in the global announcements business (a quick search on this site reveals 115 DiscreetFX 'news' items), but are you aware of the risks involved with real products? I'm not sure you want to go there.

I'm afraid managing to upload a Youtube video showing Aladdin doing completely unimpressive things very slow in just five days has given you too much of a boost. Don't bite off more than you can chew.

@cgutjahr:
i actually believe to remember discreetfx has provided some plugins for lightwave. procedural textures and more, it was even regarded quite a good stuff, but i cant remember very well. it was in the mid-nineties.

The slowness you see in the video is probably because this version is compiled with debug on.

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i actually believe to remember discreetfx has provided some plugins for lightwave

I'm not an expert, but I think you're mixing things up here. DiscreetFX has been providing various effect collections for VideoToaster systems: pre-rendered "transitions", or "wipes" or whatever the actual VT term is.

I'm sure Bill will clarify that for us any second now.

@ DiscreetFX

Time To Add It All Up - DiscreetFX Rumbled...


Ok after the the shambles of more than 2 years of claiming that DiscreetFX Labs "Staff" were working on Aladdin 4D Ver 6.0 claimed by Bill Panagouleas, and the sad and just downright pathetic fixing of the "number of views" to the thread "Aladdin 4D. 60. Technology Preview Video" on Amiga .org... Now DiscreetFX wants programmers to "work" for them !!!

Hmmm lets see.... would you trust a "Company" who claim they have "labs" and "Staff" working on a project and whenever questioned about the projects progress the replies were always all the line "I'll need to ask the staff at DiscreetFX Labs", when their "labs" & "staff" turn out to be one guy working from his home !!!

Would you trust a "Company" who actually change the thread count on their official forum just to make it look like more folk are interested and then the promised video when it finally arrives, it looks like a rush job animation they made up just to cover their tracks and strangely enough has had less than 100 views in comparison to the 100,000 views the thread allegedly got in less than 48 hours !!!

Now they're looking for "programmers" to "Work" for them on an OS4 & MorphOS version (but you'll probably have to help out the OSx developer too as it still isn't finished yet), hey you'll get paid (hopefully) and you'll be "working on coding what you love" and it's a long term commitment (read at least two years for that just to get nowhere fast)...


Have to admit I wouldn't trust them but despite all the bullcrap they've pulled for over two years seem some folk are quite forgiving and willing to be led up the garden path even longer with replies like, " a step in the right direction" & "this is a very positive move" ...

I always thought it was just Mac users and Microsoft users who had been brainwashed by corporate doctrine into supporting buggy, over priced products but at least they actually get a product while those in Amigaland get nothing but hot air, false statements, downright lies, false promises and no products and still even after all these years some Amiga users blindly jump with joy when doled out even more bullcrap...

Not sure any more if this is just really, really sad or just hilariously funny...


PS: Here's the video over 100,000 people were dying to see...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wk8i5C24WEA

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We never claimed DiscreetFX Labs was a 10,000 Square foot facility with lots of programmers. The DiscreetFX Labs name is used to keep things simple. Contractors and programmers can change over time. We hope that helps you understand. We have to consider our next steps. We don't want to be in this small market if we are not wanted. Our primary focus is making FX software anyway.

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@ DiecreetFX

Why not just come clean and admit you've made a complete fool of yourself and damaged the DiscreetFX & Amiga.org names in the ludicrous handling of this whole mess, after all you can't do any more damage now that it's all crystal clear to almost everyone, save one or two blind followers...

No one said you had a "10,000 Square foot facility" but your constant replies of things like "we'll need to ask the staff at DiscreetFX Labs" always led folk to believe you genuinely had "Labs" and "Staff" and not just one guy working from his house, not to mention the sad changing of the number of thread views in the "video" thread...

The games up Bill, do yourself & everyone else a favour and just come clean. Put this mess behind you and stop trying to make up excuses to try and dig yourself out of this hole that you have dug for yourself...

Better to end it now than to continue to make a complete prat of yourself and ruin any last hope that DiscreetFX has of regaining some of its reputation, deep down I believe you know this makes sense...

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@Franko

No sure what to say to make you happy Franko. What do you want me to come clean about? That I paid a lot of money to further development of Aladdin 4D. We do have to ask DiscreetFX Labs things since they are located 1000's of miles away. We don't have to develop for Amiga, we don't even have to be on this site. Me personally, I did my part. Aladdin 4D 6.0 development is paid for per the agreement. Why is it taking so long? Great question for Deron. I have gone way and above my part in the process.

Also, just so it's crystal clear no staff at Amiga.org changed thread views. Sure the number is very high, but it's not that high because of anything I did. Check with Karlos if you don't believe me. All activity on Amiga.org is logged. I would love to know how the view count got so high myself. Instead of pointing the blame at me do some of that Franko investigation and find out the real reason.

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@Franko:
Thanks for the clarification. Besides being a bit biased you explained it well.
However. Even if promised things haven't been delivered yet I think you people should
give them a thousand chances more. It's not like they have stolen your money or something.
In this small market the Amiga is, its better to help out end encourage than trying to
disencourage people/companies.

A lot of cools stuff is going on in the Amiga market but everything have its time.
Cheer up and remember what its all about. Having fun! :)

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Great question for Deron. I have gone way and above my part in the process.

you have paid an employee for years without seeing an adequate effect and you just let it pass like that? this is how you do business?? i have no programming skills worth to name, but now you made me want the job at your labs!

Erm... it's got nothing to do with "making me happy" be a bit strange if that was your main business concern...

it's about stopping the BS & pretence you've been posting for years and at least gaining back some credibility for yourself, DiscreetFX & Amiga.org and stop posting nonsense that some end up believing to be true...

You and no-one at DiscreetFX are obviously very good businessmen if you pay someone (Deron) to do work for you and don't even ask him what he's actually doing (if anything). Are the new people your hoping to recruit going to have carte blanche to do whatever they want and not be called to account for the the job they will be getting paid for !!!

Odd way to run a business but hey, if that's what you believe is best for you then I can only say good luck with that, cos your going to need it...

Think you and "everyone" at DiscreetFX & Amiga.org really should take a step back and reconsider your whole "business plan", like I say it's not for me but for yourself and I hope that you can move on in a more business like, professional & profitable manner...

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Yes, perhaps I'm the biggest fool in this mess. My biggest crime was I wanted a cool modern PowerPC 3D animation/rendering program for AmigaOS. It wasn't even my idea to do the Mac version first.

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@discreetfx

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Yes, perhaps I'm the biggest fool in this mess.

You could look at the notion of paying without results as "faith"

Since Amiga is a religion for SO many here, surely people could relate to that.

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@Skuggan:
i think you see only one side of the medal. you claim that users leave for the criticism on forums. that the devs leave for negative feedback. perhaps. but on the other hand most users have left amiga because of the broken promises, outright lies and fraud not because of trolls. the guys who want to go should leave, the motivated will stay, none will lay a finger on them. imagine a better world.

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Yes, perhaps I'm the biggest fool in this mess. My biggest crime was I wanted a cool modern PowerPC 3D animation/rendering program for AmigaOS. It wasn't even my idea to do the Mac version first.

well, it looks like you are being abused. i think its our duty to put an end to it for your own good.