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therefore I cannot but point you to my original post.

Which I already answered... I don't have anything to add, therefore I cannot but point to you to my original reply.

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When it comes to h/w, will there be more than one manufactor?

I know that some people are having a hard time reading, but as I said before, Hyperion is not a hardware company.

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Am I the only one who feels confused at all this throwing around of names and numbers?

No, but I am getting the distinct feeling that you are here for exactly this reason, to cause confusion. You surely should have gone into politics.

Well, whatever, suit yourself. I am not going to speculate about your motives, anyway, but I ask you to heed your own advice - if you do not have anything to add to this thread (which I cannot see) then please take it elsewhere.

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Which I already answered... I don't have anything to add, therefore I cannot but point to you to my original reply.

There's been another reply of mine to that reply of yours, which is the one I was referring to with "original post".

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Am I the only one who feels confused at all this throwing around of names and numbers?

I'm a bit puzzled too, and would appreciate if Hyperion (officially or not) could make things crystal clear.

I can understand that some people are happy to leave things is slightly fuzzy, since it's still a nice big update, and maybe that's all that they care about. OTOH, some other people (esp those of us who don't yet own OS4 compatible hardware) would like things completely clear - which Hyperion's sudden (and unexplained) change of naming strategy does not do.

It does seem perverse that Hyperion suddenly declare that OS4 (Developer?) Pre-release #1 was the first official release, since that's clearly not true - it was buggy, veeeery slow & lacking many things. I'd like to believe that this release is "OS4.0 Final", but their funny wording confuses things IMHO.

Yes, maybe it is Just A Name, which does not change the features of OS4, but sometimes a name is very important. Should we be shouting from the rooftops that OS4 is complete, or do we wait for some hardware? IMHO the latter, so it puzzles me that Hyperion release the Final version now (except maybe it isn't?!?).

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No, but I am getting the distinct feeling that you are here for exactly this reason, to cause confusion.

If there's confusion it's certainly not because of me, I'm merely asking questions, how can a question generate confusion? Rather, the question is there just because there's confusion.

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Well, whatever, suit yourself. I am not going to speculate about your motives, anyway, but I ask you to heed your own advice - if you do not have anything to add to this thread (which I cannot see) then please take it elsewhere.

I think this thread is the best place for such questions, as they concern the precise topic this thread is about : AOS4 "final".

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I know that some people are having a hard time reading, but as I said before, Hyperion is not a hardware company.

i know that, but you are the one who give licence for that new h/w, right?

and the one who make os4 run on that new, specific h/w? (it is called HAL?)

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That's the point I'm trying to raise: they tell you the wait is over ("it's done") but in fact you still have to wait for hardware to come... So I don't really see the difference when compared with christmas 2005,... "OS4 is there" & "Hardware is just around the corner"... Really ? Hum...

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We called it Final update, because it is exactly that - the final update to OS 4.0. Everything else will be 4.01 and beyond, and eventually 4.1.

Then i´m sorry.

Because I was under the impression that you would till add more features to OS4.0 Final with more updates when i read your posts about AmigaInput and your brothers comment on WMM. (Not talking about bugfixes and updates . That i have never had any problems with)

If the next version that has more features/new features then this is called 4.01 then I see the logic.

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@Rogue

a suggestion: OS4.0 Public Release.

BTW, congratulations, great job! Kudos to you and the whole OS4 team!

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thanks for the new release hyperion!.. i look forward to many more :)

now over to this confusion people talk about here. as i see it this is the final aos4.0 and i guess by that they mean, its no longer a prerelease. this final release is for the people that did buy the a1 in the first place, hyperion is delivering as promised to these early buyers of a1 hw.... now the early buyers did get what was promised to them...

for us next generations of buyers we will get aos4.0(final not pre) when new hw is ready....

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As i see it this is the final aos4.0 and i guess by that they mean, its no longer a prerelease.

That'd be ok, if it weren't for the little detail that in this very thread Rogue said "FWIW, OS 4 was released in May 2004", in answer to my question "Is this the official release?".

Now, do you see where the confusion comes from?

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That'd be ok, if it weren't for the little detail that in this very thread Rogue said "FWIW, OS 4 was released in May 2004", in answer to my question "Is this the official release?". Now, do you see where the confusion comes from?

See my answer (suggestion, in fact), in the post #197.

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I read it as a "release of a preliminary version"; the first prerelease version and the final are both releases, but of a different "version" of OS4.

In the phrase "release of a preliminary version", the word "release" has no special meaning, for it implies nothing more than the simple distribution of the said AmigaOS version. Given that it's obvious that for someone to download and use AmigaOS it has to be distruted, from a purely logical and dialectical point of view I see no reason to specify it in response to my question "is this an official release?".

I asked whether it was an official release just because I considered the others "prerelease", and in that reasoning I was seconded by the very wording of the previous updates.

But anyway, the mere fact we're here discussing this and wondering what those words really mean highlights a communication problem of some sort. Rogue has had the opportunity to clarify what he meant, but has chosen not to do so... why's that, in your opinion?

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@falemagn

i see no problem with this, that was the prerelease of aos4.0(for early a1 buyers and beta testers).... and now we have the official release that will go forward with 4.1, 4.2 etc....

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O MY GOODDDDD!!!!

Final Update means it's the last update for those that have a PRE-RELEASE of OS4!

That actually means that this add-on gives us the whole OS4 as it is to be released for End Users in a package,on a commercial CD

Which means that OS4 is done!!!
And all they have to do now is burn the freakin' AOS4 on CD and put it in shops to sell

Furthermore,they will probably wait with this Public bundeled version,until some HW is available,which will be in early 2007



All in all,no I can't buy AOS4 yet,I will most surely be able to buy it on a CD in Shops in early 2007 when ALSO a new Amiga PPC hardware(Samantha?) will be available to buy...
But it is finished!!!
Ready to sell!!!

p.s.Glad that now developers have a final version,so they can develop software for OS4 without problems.

Get me an office package and a modern browser bundeled with OS4 by the time it starts selling in shops in a month or two!!!!
GO,GO,GO!!!!

Nice work on the release, now do what so many of us want and get a working release on the Pegasos and Efika. Its clear you wont make anything on the A1 hardware lines, so just do it and sell it to the rest of us wanting to give it a chance too.

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@Acill_MOS

doubt this will happen, the thing you ask for is not possible i think. you must remember we got two competing companyes here. that have a few diffrent ideas and direction... if you have choosen your path and cant afford to buy another system to run aos4.0, then you should just enjoy what you got....

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So I am sorry if I fail to see the point.

Come on, you know exactly what the point is. It might be nice and polite to not mention the elephant in the room, but seeing the two of you dancing around it is physically painful!

The question "is this a release" could probably also be worded as "Does December 24th, 2006 mark the Completion of OS 4.0 or not?". As in --- is this the date at which the payback clause's expiry period starts? Yeah, sure, nobody has seen the contract; However, everybody agrees there is a buyback clause, and the so-called "contract draft" which was making the rounds a while back has a buyback clause with an expiry period. And McBill has publicly stated that the buyback was done. So let's not pretend that there isn't an issue there, OK?

The sudden insistence on "OS4 was released in May 04" is quite interesting, from an interested outsider's point of view. It sure *looks* like an attempt to retroactively start the timeout 31 months ago (expiring it in November 04). However, I find it hard to believe that anyone would be so foolish as to try *that* kind of stunt, given some rather more recent posts along the lines of "we are busy finishing OS4", not to mention the frequent use of "when it's done". "Done" and "Completed" are pretty much synonyms. Anyway, surely nobody even considers claiming that OS 4.0 was COMPLETED in May 04?!?

And just to make the whole thing even juicier, the contract draft also had a clause which had a deadline of 6 months after completion of OS 4.0 for AInc to actually release something, or Hyperion gets the exclusive and perpetual license to AmigaOS.

It sure LOOKS as though someone is trying to play semantics here in order to get all of the cake instead of none of it. And it looks as if, behind the scenes, lawyers are busily throwing things at each other over this, because otherwise someone could just come out and plainly say what happened, and what the current situation is.

You are an intelligent person, Hans-Joerg. So I am sure you can understand how someone who doesn't have your inside scoop on the happenings at Hyperion would look at the events of the last few months, and would inevitably come to the conclusion of "there is something wrotten in the state of Denmark". I just hope that Hyperion has not bet the future of OS4 on such legal shenanigans, even though it sure looks like it.

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@ umisef

There, you said it. Thanks for letting out what I couldn't dare to say, for quite obvious reasons.

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