Another great day for OS4.

Keep up the great work Hyperion.

To Every other developer/tester/translator
who participated in this wonderful product!,
Keep up the great work!.

Now bring us some Hardware (yes you!).

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@falemagn

I agree. I see this more as word game with what is essentially Pre-Release Update 5, with a Release version due out at some point whenever some new hardware is available to run it on.

The fact that some core features which were supposed to be part of the Release version, such a virtual memory are not part of the OS, due to "not having had the time to work out the kinks with this and that", pretty much means that this is yet another pre-release, which doesn't exactly make it a release version by any stretch of the imagination...and therefore NOT ready/done.

IMHO, this is not much to get excited about until we see AOS4.0 - Release/Retail/OEM - or whatever they call it, available for purchase with or without hardware somewhere as a shrink wrapped package to an users, not just with a permantent developement grade motherboard - which will probably not be until this summer at the very earliest, at least IMHO. To me AOS4.0 is still in very much in the "When It's Ready/Done" stages.

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@Leo
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That's the point I'm trying to raise: they tell you the wait is over ("it's done") but in fact you still have to wait for hardware to come... So I don't really see the difference when compared with christmas 2005,... "OS4 is there" & "Hardware is just around the corner"... Really ? Hum...

You hit the nail on the head there! We've been here not so long ago. I remember the statements about Update 4 when it was released, with claims of it being pretty much complete and ready for prime time, and the final update before its release with new hardware out within a month or two. So the question that begs to be asked is how is the current situation any different other than in wording alone? I think that this IS a legitimate question.

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@SimplePPC
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Bit strange as ALL AmigaONE users i encountered were quite happy chums..

Then you definately did not encounter me. I was never pleased with my AmigaOne, but was somewhat pleased with AOS4 Pre-Release Update 4 - not the previous pre-releases, that is, when I actually actually managed to get my AmigaOne to boot it for the first time or was able to get it to run for more than an hour at a time without it locking up, which wasn't too often. Kinda hard to code or do anything useful with such an unstable system or on hardware you can't find to run it on.

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@The_Editor
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Not a SINGLE AmigaONE owner is bothered about (prior) naming conventions.

Errr... I guess _I_ would be the single AmigaONE owner that begs to differ with that statement.

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@jtsiren
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How about this for a change: I both congratulate Hyperion on a job well done and getting this significant update on OS4 out the door, and at the same time am interested in knowing the answers to Umisef's and Falemagn's questions? Anybody? The fact that I'm interested to know (I'm not saying I'm entitled, just interested) doesn't in any way negate the fact that I'm truly congratulating them on getting this update out the door. From what I hear it is a major step forwards again and for that the guys at Hyperion and all the other people who have worked on OS4 deserve major respect.

I'll add my name to these thoughts. I too congratulate the AOS4 team on their efforts and accomplishments, but this does not mean that I wouldn't like hear some frank answers to some of those questions. Although the parties involved are more than entitled not to, specially if legally bound not to, but they should own up to that fact without needing to result to insults, otherwise they shouldn't blow a gasket and be surprised to see speculation and rumours surface soon after on what they DIDN'T answer.

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lol

ok


Cue..


THERE's ALWAYS ONE

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@The Editor
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THERE's ALWAYS ONE

All kidding aside - and we could make fun of the AmigaONE name 'til the cows come home - I'll bet there's more than just one.

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@ackcontrls

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My prediction for 2007 is that more is going to happen on the hardware side for the Amiga OS than the last 10 years.

Thanks for your predictions, and that's very interesting, but at this point its time for "Show Me" , not more predictions or more announcements - just products that we can buy please.

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Mind you, you are right American English and non-English speakers may see it differently , but I speak correct British Queens English and frankly its just splitting hairs.

Oh my! This will go a long way to spreading cheerfulness and good will around the globe!

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Why do you want to ask/know ? I find it strange that only people who have previously stated they are not interested in OS4 ask these questions.

Thank you for acknowledging my post. :)

First off, I wouldn't consider myself "not interested in OS4". I have a long history with Amiga, owned several models in a span of over twenty years, did my share of shareware programming and more than my share of community activities, do own one classic still (as well as Amiga Forever and some software), and did buy a Pegasos at one time because I found myself interested in the next step of an Amiga-compatible system and that was the only thing that was available then, OS4 was not. I did sell the Pegasos quite soon with not much use for myself at the time, though. AmigaOne never did interest me because of failings of that particular family of hardware. Given a different situation, AmigaOS 4.0 might very well interest me - I do have a history of buying into this kind of stuff. The hardware situation would need resolving though.

Back to your question. I have a history of interest in the Amiga and as such at least an emotional link to it, if not very much a practical link these days. I have emotional vested interest, if one can put it that way. Add to that just plain old curious and I guess that sums up the answer. I think there are unanswered questions, in this thread and elsewhere, about the future of AmigaOS and I would be interested in knowing the answers. I am not, again, saying I'm entitled to know such answers, but I would like to - call it curious, call it caring, but the interest is not there by design of any ulteriour motive, it is just inherent and perhaps even unintentional on my part.

I guess maybe those of us who spend their time in the Amiga land pondering these issues may be more interested (because our current interest revolves more around information than practice) than those who spend more of the same time playing with their next-gen AmigaOS systems, I don't know. Or perhaps it is easier for bystanders to discuss the hard issues because they haven't invested in the topic of the discussion as much as those who have bought into it. Or perhaps those who bought in are more "fan" and thus unlikely to ask tougher questions than those who haven't bought in... I guess that might hold true at least for some people.

I can't seem to stay away and stay not interested even if I try and even if there no other tangible link to Amiga in my usual day these days... other than that history and interest that makes me return. :)

I would, though, like to emphasize that I do appreciate this news enough to not dwell on this side-issue. I only answered because you asked directly. I think the news themselves are more important than the questions you asked about, if for nothing else than for honouring the work done by giving the news the space and peace it deserves.

Kudos for the progress made, truly.

@VidarL
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IMO, the questions posed by Fabio and Bernie are fair, and deserve an honest answer. If there are legal reasons for not answering them, just say so. Attacking the messenger only puts you in a bad light and kills your credibility.

Well said!

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Now, just imagine what would this thread be like and how much longer it would be if all the ones that have asked the same questions I asked were to get the same amount of insulting and screaming posts in return.

Some food for thought there!

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Poster: falemagn Date: 27-Dec-2006 22:21:00 Now, just imagine what would this thread be like and how much longer it would be if all the ones that have asked the same questions I asked were to get the same amount of insulting and screaming posts in return. Some food for thought there!

good question. I know how long it would have been if aw.net would not have let people ask akward questions. Around 40 post (Grabbed from a hole in the ground). Here we are soon up to 400.

@falemagn
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Now, just imagine what would this thread be like and how much longer it would be if all the ones that have asked the same questions I asked were to get the same amount of insulting and screaming posts in return

I feel pity for you. Shame on all the people bashing you.

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@falemagn

It's unfortunate but necessary. The only other alternative is stand ideally by and give free reign to mischief makers that have no genuine interest in OS4 beyond constantly trying to undermind the product.

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@elatour
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Quote: Mind you, you are right American English and non-English speakers may see it differently , but I speak correct British Queens English and frankly its just splitting hairs. Oh my! This will go a long way to spreading cheerfulness and good will around the globe!

Did you stop reading at that point of the message? That was a setup for his joke.. (see: second half of his post).

Or.. are you joking too and I didnt get it?

@billt

Email Rogue, hes offered to help people with their OS4 downloading accounts. I realise you dont have one, but maybe he can help you all the same. He's made the offer multiple times in various OS4 ITS DONE news items.. good luck.

@falemagn

Are you getting married in that avatar? You look good!

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Cheers Hyperion, will d/l when I can.

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Well, I apologize for not having waded in here alot earlier with this, but:

CONGRATS!!! It is so nice to have the Final Release version of OS4.0 out, even if there isn't new hardware on hand to bundle it with right now...

Now hopefully this will help push along the release of new hardware soon.

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Grrreat!

Now I am waiting for some hardware to show up...