Hmmmm, well this does seem to throw everything up in the air again. My initial reaction is there is so little stability in the "Amiga" market, that it will take any company a great deal of time to establish the good faith to do anything.

I watch the situation with an increasing reluctance to part with any cash to support any of the efforts. I liked the idea of the AmigaDE, but Amiga Inc. seem to be so far from delivering anything useful to me via that platform, that it is now just a curio. AmigaOS4 still looks interesting, with the future now obscure, but potentially exciting. Pegasos may be good at what it does, but BB is not someone I would care to associate with and can see no pressing reason to do so.

So I will still continue to watch the "Amiga" situation with interest, in the hope that something with a viable future will develope.

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Have you noticed that AInc sold OS almost year ago? Why not to Hyperion?

From what I read on another thread on the matter, Amiga, incorporated's investors were upset that Amiga was spending their money to develop DE instead of the OS, as the investors wanted. Now the two properties are separated and the investors are happy.

Or so it's been said. I look forward to more information from official sources, once it's available. In the meantime, speculation is fun, as long as we recognize it as such.

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Itec LLC... sounds like Eyetech. KMOS, "Kill MOS". This sounds like a sale of assets just to protect AmigaOS from Genesi to me. Not that that is a bad thing of course.

Congrats to KMOS and Garry Hare anyway, hopefully this will really turn out to be a good thing.

Chris

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>Hmmmm, well this does seem to throw everything up in the air again. My initial

More likely it puts things solid to the ground I'd say :)

To cite Ben Hermans: "To all AmigaOS 4 supporters this is very good news indeed when you consider a reliable and well-funded company thinks AmigaOS is worth acquiring."

Steffen

I hope KMOS Inc. hires more full time OS4 developers to speedup AmigaOS4 development..

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Entilzha

It was me not my brother.

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It crashed so many times it was astounding..

LOL. I've heard different stories, and I can see different stories.

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YOU know and I know that it will take you at least 6months to get a commercial packaged version out the door. This is the fact of the matter. Why not be honest and let people know this?

Yeah, sure. You ought to know.

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However, I really feel that Hyperion and Genesi should reach an agreement for mutual development or porting OS4 to Peg.

They had their chances. They didn't do anything but threaten and tout around in public forums. The usual thing. If they had been talking only once through official channels, things might have turned out different.

Personally, I can only agree with the BBRV on one point: I'm so fed up with some idiots in this market.. I'm afraid though I am referring to different idiots.

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You know you will not catch MOS at this point...

Yeah, I hear that a lot - from MOS fans. Unless you are a prohpet of some sort, I ain't too afraid about that. Time will tell, and I am quite sure it will tell a different story than yours.

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if i dont speak in honey talk then i get banned/moderated here

You could have skipped the crap and concentrate on the facts. But then, that never was your style, was it?

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Why cant we discuss the TRUTH and FACTS openly?

Coming from someone that uses forums for advertisements and disguises advertisements as information, I find this exceedingly funny.

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He's with KMOS now, but this says nothing about what his position when he was reportedly attending trade shows as an Amiga, Inc. staff member. Also, the press release says that Amiga, Inc. made the sales agreement with "Itec LCC," which was "acquired" by KMOS, which is headed by Garry Hare. So things are not so simple, and it's a bit early to say "as you now clearly see," at least in my opinion.

That doesn't surprise me, really.

However, Magnetic's claim that it is now obvious that the BBRV was right about the Garry Hare/Amiga Inc business card is equally well not proven by this, and unless there had been changing to and fro between CEO's (a thing I find rather unlikely) things are the same as they used to be, wil Bill McEwen as the CEO of Amiga, Inc. and Garry Hare as CEO of KMOS.

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Will KMOS provide additional funds for the completion of OS4.0?

With news like this, I feel obliged to put in my two cents, but it is pure conjecture, I have no other information than what is posted in the news items and so on.

I have no doubt that the transfer of AmigaOS is to protect the assets from the legal case and also to break it out from under AmigaDE's shadow. Quite possibly, they are looking for, or have, a buyer for Amiga Inc, perhaps even Microsoft (who are probably looking for mobile games technology to add to their CE product line, although why they'd use Java based stuff I don't know...), but AmigaOS is a "poison pill" for buyers - none of them want the bad press that would be associated with killing it off and none of them want to pay for it either, and if it was Microsoft, they're probably not allowed to (monopoly laws and all).

I don't know much about Garry Hare's history, but I think there's a niche for a TiVo like device running AmigaOS (sounds like a set-top box maybe..!) and his background could make that happen.. maybe..

I'm a little concerned about this statement "At Amiga's insistence to which we totally agreed, we will honor the terms of the November 2001, agreement with Amiga One Partners" as it implies to me that while they plan to honor it, they're not contractually obliged to do so. I've no proof, it's just the way it reads to me.

I'm also surprised that Amiga can just sell up when I thought Hyperion's deal meant they owned the assets in OS4 - weren't the name and 68K licensed to Hyperion but they would own the PPC derivative port, again partly to protect it from the likes of BBRV? Maybe I dreamed that. At least, I'm sure Hyperion would have in their contract restrictions on Amiga Inc just selling up to anyone, so it's probably with their approval.

I am glad to see AmigaDE separated from AmigaOS. Personally, I don't think AmigaDE is going anywhere in particular - there is huge growth in that market but all the business is going to AmigaDE competitors like Mophun and MIDP2. I think UAE makes a better proposition for mobile games content than AmigaDE - imagine having UAE for N-Gage with licensed Amiga games classics to play on it. That would be excellent. However, take my opinions with a pinch of salt. I don't know very much at all about DE and it might be an excellent product in it's own right. I just don't think it has Amiga "zen".

Incidentally, anyone wondering why KMOS is a Delaware company, know that most American companies register in Delaware, for tax and legal reasons.

I can only restate my belief that you should judge people by what they do rather than what they say.

Amiga Inc = Amiga in name, not Amiga in nature

MorphOS et al.= not Amiga in name, not Amiga in nature.

Hyperion = not Amiga in name, but definitely Amiga in nature! The true heir to the crown.

Go Hyperion, go OS4, don't let this stuff distract you from the true path!

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No... they waisted all that money to let it die...


Bloody hell people - God gave you brains, so use em.

You know in those Barclays adverts with Samual Jackson going on about the big big man, with the big big car, in the big big house etc...

Well, thats what Gary Hare is ...


Like a Bullet to a Butterfly me thinks

"No... they waisted all that money to let it die..."

Has any public disclosure on the value of the deal been made? How much does an OS for 500 cranky users cost these days? Purchased from a company without an office and no lawyers?

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YOU know and I know that it will take you at least 6months to get a commercial packaged version out the door. This is the fact of the matter.... ...However, I really feel that Hyperion and Genesi should reach an agreement for mutual development or porting OS4 to Peg. You know you will not catch MOS at this point...

I am puzzled by the suggestion that porting AmigaOS 4.0 to the Pegasos will somehow speed up its development time so that it gets finished faster. This is not the first time that I have encountered this logic. Perhaps Realize will choose to explain it?

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Honeytalk? I spent 3 hrs playing with an A1 and OS4 this weekend. I tried to be polite...

Hmm, sorry to sound rude, but what did you inhale lately ? You pointed out that calling card nonsense again, to which I replied that Garry Hare was not CEO of Amiga.

Don't even bother to start a discussion with me about OS4. It's fruitless. That's why I didn't even react to it. However, you skillfully (no, not skillfully, but rather stupidly) ignored the FACTS and came up with the calling card scam again, and when the TRUTH is pointed out to you, you just ignore it and go into ranting.


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Why cant we discuss the TRUTH and FACTS openly? *sigh

TRUTH and FACTS ? The moment your kind can appreciate TRUTH and acknowledge FACTs, then we can talk about it. But if you just repeat the "stuff" BBRV fed you, it's useless to talk about TRUTH and FACTS.

Sorry, at the risk of being moderated, but you are really an ####.

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In your eyes is this good for the Amiga as we know it?

Yes.

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In bbrv's eyes, is this good or bad?

Ask bbrv

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@ realize

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lets have some real talk about development and hardware issues and ending the "war"

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Oh, what the heck. Forget it.

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Aahh...another twist to the AmigaInc story. One of the many we have had to endure during the last 7 years or so. And again, the AmigaOS name is sold to a company with no name or fame. KMOS? Never heard of.

The only interesting question: will they bring real money and people to fasten the development of OS4.

Wake me up when OS4 is finally released. At least, this will be usefull and interesting news for us users.

Sorry for not cheering...but somehow thos soap box can't amuse nor excite me anymore.

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I believe there's more to it than that. Bill Buck is an idea person and likes to move fast and get things started. My honest impression is that he (or they -- bbrv) believe what they present to be the truth, but I think they at times extrapolate somewhat from what is verifiable, and sometimes this extrapolation turns out to be inaccurate.

I'm not denying that, but you should acknowledge that some of these "extrapolations" are a bit far fetched.

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For reasons of his own, Garry Hare never clarified what he was doing,

Why should he ?

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Anyway, I suppose the way bbrv perceive and describe things might fit your description of FUD if you are on the receiving end of any claims made, etc. But I think they aren't trying to be dishonest -- it's just their perspective on things

Their perspective is distorted, then. The moment you try to distort the picture in such a way that it makes the competition look bad and your own company look good, it's just that: fear in the hearts of the prospective customers, uncertainty about the products, and doubt about their use and applicability. Fear, uncertainty and doubt. The plain definition of FUD.

Of course, this is not illegal (as long as you don't tell obvious lies), but it's at the least bad style.

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it's all a matter of context and perspective, IMHO.

Sure. That does not make any claims that are wrong true. No matter what the perspective is, truth won't change.

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Hyperion = not Amiga in name, but definitely Amiga in nature! The true heir to the crown.

Thank you.

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Go Hyperion, go OS4, don't let this stuff distract you from the true path!

Never. Uh ,well, I already spent too much time reading this

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Never. Uh ,well, I already spent too much time reading this

Time spent in rumor control is never time wasted, sir. But then, you guys already knew that.

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Who is KMOS?
I have nothing found in the web... no site, no declaration... nothing... would be nice to hear something from them.

It is really painful what Amiga Inc. did. All in all they did - nothing.