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It already says that it won't affect the release of OS 4.

It won't affect the release -at all-???? Does this mean that Mr. Hare and Co. won't be showering you (et al). with all sorts of money?

Maybe if you say "pretty please" reeeally nice?

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Yes, that's what I called "rumour seeding" in the past. The BBRV always works like this. It's the definition of the term FUD: Fear, uncertainty and doubt. Drop a few comments, and there are enough people who pick it up.

I believe there's more to it than that. Bill Buck is an idea person and likes to move fast and get things started. My honest impression is that he (or they -- bbrv) believe what they present to be the truth, but I think they at times extrapolate somewhat from what is verifiable, and sometimes this extrapolation turns out to be inaccurate. Of course as business competitors they phrase things to benefit their company and make rivals look bad, but I don't think they manufacture lies, certainly not involving matters that can be investigated and shown to be false. For reasons of his own, Garry Hare never clarified what he was doing, and the explanations of Fleecy and Bill McEwen weren't sufficient to put the rumors to rest. It should be said that these two have credibility problems of their own, so it would have been best to have something more objective to show, but this has never happened. Maybe one good outcome of this sale is that we can learn what role Garry Hare did play while involved with Amiga, Inc.

Anyway, I suppose the way bbrv perceive and describe things might fit your description of FUD if you are on the receiving end of any claims made, etc. But I think they aren't trying to be dishonest -- it's just their perspective on things. They are positive thinkers and understand that sometimes stating things that you want to happen as already happening helps them to happen, if you follow me. Call this positive thinking, or public relations, or FUD -- it's all a matter of context and perspective, IMHO.

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So this story from February is no longer a hoax?

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27 February 2004: San Francisco, California. KMOS, Incorporated announced today that it has acquired the Operating System known as Amiga OS 4.0 from Amiga, Incorporated. Garry Hare, Chief Executive Officer of KMOS, said, the acquisition of this innovative operating system was completed in April of 2003. We have continued to cooperate, and will continue to cooperate, with the existing development, technical and distribution partners toward the AmigaOne market.

redfox

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Guess not, now that we have corroboration from both Amiga, Inc and Hyperion on their official web pages.

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Anyway, I suppose the way bbrv perceive and describe things might fit your description of FUD if you are on the receiving end of any claims made, etc. But I think they aren't trying to be dishonest -- it's just their perspective on things. They are positive thinkers and understand that sometimes stating things that you want to happen as already happening helps them to happen, if you follow me. Call this positive thinking, or public relations, or FUD -- it's all a matter of context and perspective, IMHO.

Well that is all #### *IMHO*
BBRV never stated "from my perspective" "or in my opinion" niether did he imply suggest or allude to any such thing.
He stated that Gary Hare was CEO of Amiga Inc. as fact and even took credit for it!
It is not FUD or perspective or motivational technique it is a blatant bald face LIE and representation of UNtruth.Take your BBRV worship elsewhere.

Now to get thing back ON topic the question has to be asked...does Amiga Inc actually have ANY influence, rights, lisences etc on either the harware or the software of the AmigaOne solution?

IS DE still going to be integrated into AmigaOS as planned or is all that out of the window?

Does Eyetech/hyperion still have to pay any license fee and if so is this to KMOS or AMiga Inc?

It seems to me that Amiga Inc. is now utterly an independant body from the Amiga Hardware solution, and we just are lacking the final details about the lisencing and the future.I hope Gary Hare's ideas are the opposite to what Gateway's were.It also seems to me that Amiga Inc has kept the rights to the trademarks (except that which Eyetech and Hyperion have a lisence for) and as such that is the only remaining link to Amiga Inc.
From that I can guess that the companies in question can simply change the name of the machine once it has re-entered the market and is self sustaining to anything they like and cut Amiga Inc out of the pie completely.Does KMOS also have the rights to the trademark?If so it could get confusing.

Oh and what does this mean for the coupons and t-shirts?

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@realize

Your comments about the status & time line of Aos4 are off topic, so refrain from futher comments about it.

This news Item is not about the working status of Aos4.

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I have this strange feeling .....

This is starting to feel like the Gatewy 2000 days. Next we'll be hearing from Jeff Schindler.

I really hope I'm wrong.

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It already says that it won't affect the release of OS 4. No need to bite nails

What about future developements? OS 4.2 still planned right?

It is clear that most of you don't understand yet what the acquisition by KMOS of Amiga Inc's AmigaOS assets means.

To all AmigaOS 4 supporters this is very good news indeed when you consider a reliable and well-funded company thinks AmigaOS is worth acquiring.

Expect more good news in the course of the next few days.

If you're not an AmigaOS 4 supporter, you may turn a little "blue" in the face however.

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believe there's more to it than that. Bill Buck is an idea person and likes to move fast and get things started. My honest impression is that he (or they -- bbrv) believe what they present to be the truth, but I think they at times extrapolate somewhat from what is verifiable, and sometimes this extrapolation turns out to be inaccurate. Of course as business competitors they phrase things to benefit their company and make rivals look bad, but I don't think they manufacture lies, certainly not involving matters that can be investigated and shown to be false. For reasons of his own, Garry Hare never clarified what he was doing, and the explanations of Fleecy and Bill McEwen weren't sufficient to put the rumors to rest. It should be said that these two have credibility problems of their own, so it would have been best to have something more objective to show, but this has never happened. Maybe one good outcome of this sale is that we can learn what role Garry Hare did play while involved with Amiga, Inc. Anyway, I suppose the way bbrv perceive and describe things might fit your description of FUD if you are on the receiving end of any claims made, etc. But I think they aren't trying to be dishonest -- it's just their perspective on things. They are positive thinkers and understand that sometimes stating things that you want to happen as already happening helps them to happen, if you follow me. Call this positive thinking, or public relations, or FUD -- it's all a matter of context and perspective, IMHO. -- gary_c

Dont insult my Intelligence.

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Because AI have used the Amiga name (and lets face it , it's a grand name) to their own ends, outsourced os development to Hyperion (and guys you knew about this all along) .... sold off the OS and kept the trademark, while 'ebaying' the source code to the highest bidder.... ffs it's like a merry go round... No wonder Fleecy's column went silent.. AG2? ####,

While I'm not as angry as you are, I certainly agree. AG2, it seems, is just pie in the sky and Amiga Inc. have absolutely nothing to do with the 'Amiga' anymore... Except be 'the name'... As a corporate entity anyway.

I mean honestly, Amiga Inc. has simply returned to its original position. That the 'Clas(sic) Amiga' is dead in Amiga Inc.'s eyes. Amiga Inc. is distancing itself from its 'legacy' technolgies. Which is funny, since Amiga Inc. is relying heavily on the 'Amiga' name's legacy to sell whatever they make out of Tao's intent. Instead, yet another third (unknown) party will be responsible for 'Amiga's' legacy. I wonder how much that leagcy is worth nowadays...

I suppose that's one thing the the Blue camp got right. Bill McEwen and Fleecy Moss really were just 'name' droppers. All the other stuff was pretty much bull.

What is left of the 'Amiga's' spirit???


AmigaOS4 and AROS. Everything else is just a gimmick.



If others in the 'Amiga' Community ask me to be patient, wait another two weeks, or until something gets 'done'. I'm sorry, my patience has run out. Apparently the only people welcome in the 'Amiga' Community are those willing to join a confidential mailing list, join a 'special secret club' or are rabid zealots. The rest of us, the silent majority, are just not important. Otherwise Amiga Inc. and crew would have coordinated this announcement a great deal better. Amiga Inc., a company propped up by smoke and mirrors and the good old abit and switch. KMOS a company with no past and no presence...


Here ends my rant.

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Dont insult my Intelligence.

Just my opinion, as I said. I realize a lot of people have their minds made up and can't be bothered with other views, so responses like yours and Ion's are to be expected. Sorry about the impasse.

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Expect more good news in the course of the next few days.

What "good news"? I can't believe that so many here think this is good news simply because they're told it is! The announcement only makes clear that Amiga Inc. have once again abandonned the 'Amiga'. That they've sold it to an unkown entity with no clear agenda or presence, period!

It would have been nice to be introduced to KMOS before Amiga Inc. blithely announced they were selling of the AmigaOS. After all, this has been in the works for almost a year! I for one have no confidence in Amiga Inc. anymore. While I should give KMOS the benefit of the doubt, I find that very difficult since it would appear they only exist in a press release.

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If you're not an AmigaOS 4 supporter, you may turn a little "blue" in the face however.

BTW, I hold true to my name, I am ShadesOfGrey. But I certainly had a red bias when Amiga Inc. came to ressurect the 'Amiga'. Unfortunately, that bias has cooled over time. Amiga Inc. proved itself unreliable and unfocussed. More and more broken promises and little evidence they sought to ameliorate their failures... Whatever the circumstances. Instead they sought to use the successes of their partners as a measure of their own success.

Now Amiga Inc. is bowing out all together. Leaving it to their proxies to defend them.

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oo.... you're just down the road from me...

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It is clear that most of you don't understand yet what the acquisition by KMOS of Amiga Inc's AmigaOS assets means.

I believe you hit the nail squarely on the head there

More information is definitely needed, I am pleased that people "in the know" consider it a good thing though.

You could start with some info on KMOS and Garry Hare (I did some Googling for him, but there seem to be a few of them). Is he this guy?

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It is clear that most of you don't understand yet what the acquisition by KMOS of Amiga Inc's AmigaOS assets means. To all AmigaOS 4 supporters this is very good news indeed when you consider a reliable and well-funded company thinks AmigaOS is worth acquiring. Expect more good news in the course of the next few days. If you're not an AmigaOS 4 supporter, you may turn a little "blue" in the face however.

Well, obviously most of us don't understand, because there are so many unanswered questions. Hopefully things will be clarified shortly. I have no reason to doubt that KMOS is a "reliable and well-funded company," even though there's no sign of it on the Internet, nor of Itec LLC, which actually made the deal and then was acquired by KMOS. I guess your words should be taken to mean that although these are virtually unknown entities, the people behind them are reliable and well-funded.

I haven't been an AmigaOS 4 supporter, as I don't see the value in the AmigaOne, among other things, but I'd still like to see it succeed. And even though I have a Pegasos, I don't really think this is a win-lose situation. As has often been said before, the "Amiga market" isn't big enough itself to make either solution viable from a business standpoint, so both AmigaOne/AmigaOS and Pegasos/MOS will have to be sold to new markets to succeed. For this reason, there's room, outside the traditional market, for both, and the more AOS sells, the more the viability of alternative OSs is shown, which is good news for the Pegasos (and vice versa).

-- gary_c

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@Hyperion folk:
Does this mean that a few more coders might be added to the OS4 line? Good! Does it mean distribution in mainline software/hardware shops? Better! Does it mean ADVERTISING? Great! Does it mean that AI have more cash to develop Amiga DE? WOW! Does it mean we moght be getting those tee-shirts soon? WHEN PIGS FLY!

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Just my opinion, as I said. I realize a lot of people have their minds made up and can't be bothered with other views, so responses like yours and Ion's are to be expected. Sorry about the impasse. -- gary_c

You are now in insulting mine & others ntelligence.

Bothered with other views & accepting them are too different things as you have no ider to what i bother about and could never speak on behalf of what i think unless i specifically granted you permission to do so.

If you realize a lot of people have their minds made up and can't be bothered with other views why bother saying anything at all.

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I consider it very good news that a reliable, well-funded party with somebody at the helm who has a very impressive track-record like Garry Hare, decided to acquire the AmigaOS IP.

Not for the trademarks nor the patents but for the actual AmigaOS technology.

It's testament to the quality of the hard work by all the OS 4 developers.

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If you realize a lot of people have their minds made up and can't be bothered with other views why bother saying anything at all.

I'd like to think that not all 2090 or so members of this web site as well as other visitors have closed their minds to other points of view.

-- gary_c

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