Hi Trixie,




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KimmoK wrote: Now finally there is a professional looking web page about AOS4 with good marketing propaganda!

Hi KimmoK,

Oh phooey! Is that what that is? Have I been duped/suckered in by "good marketing propaganda!"?? Well, no more NG Amigas for me then!


(The above is a joke, lest I be quoted or even paraphrased out of context anywhere at all!)



Hi AmigaBlitter,

Does ibm's Blue Gene have Altivec? OoooOOOOooooo, how fast would THAT be? Hehehehehehe!!!!!


Just imagine, if it was running a stripped down version of AOS, because it's embedded and most of it is in the 2 MB CPU L1 cache, now, just how fast would THAT be!!!?!?!?!!!



(micro)AmigaOne! Amy 05! AOS4.x!WE NEED A G5 and Cell on same motherboard for FULL compatability with 5 slots, 16x AGP, and DDR2/3 ram Amiga released!!!!!!!

@Trixie

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Hm.. Been reading my sig have ya ?

/edit just in case the sig;

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No, honestly, W3C validation is all nice and dandy, but Apple and Microsoft don't try to make their websites look good on Amiga browsers. We did, and the result can be viewed on AWeb and IBrowse as well as IE, Firefox and Safari.

just short note
1) IMHO it has no sense use the xhtml 1.0 transitional document definition for "one big table" page.
2) there are errors that had nothing to do with crappy Amiga browsers. It looks to me like the authors even don try validate the page

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isn't correct anywhere (it's taken from the end of the main page)

But it is great markting move for OS4 (finally)

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This is actually fun to watch, the twisted reverse psichology that's going on. It's things like people picking on the W3C correctness of the HTML (regardless of the fact that the page displays well on all major browsers), that tell me that there's nothing wrong with the actual content. I'm fairly sure that if there were, those pointing out the w3c flaws (on this and other sites) would be pointing to those instead... (yes, I know the site is full of marketing blah - it's a corporate site pimping their product, get over it) Then of course is the "cool pro" attitude of the Friedens towards the doomsayers, contrasting their previous irritabilty, plus the fact that Ben Hermans is showing up in the forums again, both of which (to me anyway) speak volumes; it's starting to look like there's something really going on behind the scenes. I'm still skeptical, but it's starting to look like the light at the end of a tunnel is not an incoming train

Speculation time (disclaimer: I know squat, this is all pure speculation): I've scanned the bunny, and on the thread on this topic there's only one message by a Genesi employee (that I know of):

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On Sunday, Oct 30, 2005, AdmV wrote: > > I wonder if Bill Buck approached Hyperion wether their offer of OEM > actually exists. I just did. Neko

which hasn't been replied to yet. No smart-alec putdowns, just one short message. I wonder if the new partner is Genesi? Other than some smack talk between Ben Hermans and Bill Buck, I'm not aware of any animosity between Hyperion and Genesi (definitely not on the level of Amiga Inc vs Genesi). Genesi obviously wants to sell boards, and if (as some suspect) Amiga Inc is out of the picture, I can see them extending an olive branch to Hyperion, with management telling the troops to zip it for a while. Hyperion needs hardware to run on, and the Genesi boards are "blessed" by Freescale, making them a good choice (the Open Firmware vs UBoot issue is hardly rocket science). I for one would not have any problems running OS4 on a Peg 2 (Peg 3?).

OS 4 on modded Gamecube!

Well, there's an SDL library (yes 3D and sound routines) port for GC code already. There's an SD card adapter (that I am importing 50 of for the GC homebrew dev community) as well as an SD card read & write API for GC-Linux...so you could plug in a 2GB SD card into a Gamecube and boot OS4 from that as has been done by modifying UBOOT on the A1 to boot from USB.

So in theory, porting UBOOT to GC and writing it to the 2MB of flashram that comes with the qoob Pro chip could get you OS4 on Gamecube (with the right graphics driver ofcourse).

Infact I believe a 486MHz GC can outperform a 600MHz A1 do to the Cube's ultra low latency memory access and faster bus (162.5 Mhz). It also may have more cache than your typical G3...not sure. Not too mention better floating point performance.

Also a Gamecube can read DVD R/RW discs...even boot from them with that same qoob "mod" chip.

A vga cable can be hooked up to the DV-out display found on Gamecubes built before May 04.

The GC-Linux build comes with PS/2 drivers for PS/2 keyboard hooked up to a GC controller-to-ps2 adapters. Same could be done for a PS/2 mouse. The Gamecube has 4 controller ports so you could have a mouse, keyboard and 2 controllers no problem.

A Gamecube system capable of running OS 4 can be put together for 1/4 to 1/3 the price of an A1 system with relatively equal performance. Yes, this includes all the "addons" such as ps/2 adapters and mod chip.

Ref:
http://www.qoobchip.com
http://www.gc-linux.org
http://www.gcdev.vom
http://modthatcube.pxn-os.com/main.htm
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=8227154925
http://www.goldenshop.com.hk/AI-trad/gc/vgacable.htm
http://www.jandaman.com/games.mvc?p=gcsdgecko&Category_code=GC
Nintendo Store

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RE: W3C validation.

Guys, give it a rest. Is it good form to try for w3c compliance? You bet. In the early days of E-Commerce, I was adamant about it, and introduced auto-checking of all of our dynamically generated code into the build and test processess for my (then) project.

However:
1. It may be more important to get something out, than to have it in it's final form. Look at the content of the site- I like it, and think it's a good start, AND it's viewable on Amiga browsers. All good.

2. Look at the code- it's generated by a CMS. I can tell you from firsthand experience how obnoxious it is to try to get a CMS to 'output the right thing' from a w3c standpoint. Members doing work on AW can say the same about XOOPs.

3. It appears to render correctly on:
a. FireFox (thus should be for derivatives of Gecko, ie Epiphany, Nautilus, Flock).
b. Camino and Safari
c. IBrowse
d. AWeb

AND it looks good!

Personally, I look forward to additional and/or revised content much more than a w3c link/image at the bottom of the page, as long as a.-d. above remain true. I'm sure of you work in web design and will have a totally different take, but regardless, as a start, it's a good one.

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Are we not done with the same silly arguments and flames yet??!

I don't understand what all this w3c compliance stuff is about.

I've viewed the new website in Aweb, Ibrowse, Firefox and I.E

It looks identical in all of them.

So whats the big Hoo Har ?

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Sorry if this has been mentioned before... I don't have time to read the full thread atm

Quote from the website:

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...and RJ Mical from arcade giant Williams (now senior Software Architecture manager developing Playstation tools for Sony)

Hmmm... Take it away, Helgis!

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@ExiE

I edited the code quotes and then added them back because the page was formatting really wide. They even caused problems when added back, but then I found that Lou's page and 1/2 link size was throwing things off. I've left both edited out.

If anyone wonders he just quoted a few table tags from the page.

BTW, if all that you people have now to nit pick and complain about is W3C errors, then you really do need to get out and get something constructive to do. It's not like this page looks bad or wrong in any browser so far.

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Personally, I look forward to additional and/or revised content much more than a w3c link/image at the bottom of the page

God, I hope they don't add stupid W3C links on the page. That just spells unprofessional in capital letters. It makes a site look like it was created by a real amatuer. Nobody wants to see how close your site matches the W3C standard, they want content, and with Hyperion's new OS4 site, they get just that. .

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So whats the big Hoo Har ?

Simple. Some people see good news by Hyperion, Eyetech or Amiga Inc and their kneejerk reaction is to look for something bad to say about it. I'm actually quite impressed that the only thing they have to b!tch about is w3c compliance. It's the 21st century version of the spelling flame.

I'm late with my comment about the new website, but I really like what Hyperion have done there. Another good job, Hyperion!

My website isn't exactly w3c compliant but it does look identical on all of the browsers I've tested it on: AWeb, IBrowse, Voyager, FireFox, Netscape & Explorer. That's more important to me too.

In fact, I can't get a w3c validator to actually test some pages Don't matter though.

FuZion.

@The_Editor

The point of using a validator is to make certain it's not just a group of pages served by an HTTP server, but actual HTML. It's VERY bad practice to make a list of what browsers to test the pages on and then run a test rather than just run all the pages through a proper validator.

Not all browsers are bug-compatible. So testing with 4 browsers doesn't mean you've done a good job.

It's one of those things that mark the difference between webdesigners and programmers, I guess. As a programmer I'm not content with getting something to display in a selection of browsers, I want it to be correct as well. As a webdesigner I am more than happy to just get the frelling pages to display in more than one browser (IE is usually the hardest to work with, as they have the worst HTML renderer).

Of course, I'm one of the few people who still take pride in using capitalisation and punctuation as well, so maybe I'm just a grumpy old ####. But if some C compilers started accepting erroneous code, I'm quite certain most C programmers would not be very happy about this.

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Using "voltage" instead of "potential", which leads to inventing new words like "amperage" instead of "current" (I, measured in A) or possible "charge" (amperehours, Ah or Coulomb, C). Sometimes I don't even know what people mean.

Hyperion don't listen to those morons here who only want to ruin your day. Your OS4 website is fantastic, and 99% of us here are extremely proud of your work.

The fact that some people keeps babbling on about wc3 stuff, shows just how big morons they are, they don't even let us enjoy this fantastic moment. They don't even have the decency to start another thread or something like that.

All of you who bashes the new site should be ashamed of yourselves. Go somewhere else and let the rest of us enjoy this great moment without listening to you. Damn you have made bad things to this thread.

But in the end it only makes me feel stronger for OS4 and the people behind it.

Go somewhere else with your nitpicking, and let us celebrate the new site as we like.



Hondo

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This treat still is going very strong

Finally we have an official yet decent website... well done!

Maybe amiga.com/amigaos and os4.amiga.com should automatically redirect to hyperon's site wich is far more professional.

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t's VERY bad practice to make a list of what browsers to test the pages on and then run a test rather than just run all the pages through a proper validator.

No offense, but what good is valid HTML that does not get displayed correctly on Amiga browsers? When we get Mozilla on AmigaOS we can talk; until such time I rather have correct-looking that valid pages.

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so maybe I'm just a grumpy old ####.

And here was me thinking you where Norwegian :)

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This company bigger than I can possibly imagine... is it God? (Substitute for Gods/Supreme Being/He that is known as I am/Alanis Morrisette depending on faith) All other companies are pretty much tangible.

Seriously this is the first time I read this thread, and I spent all of today (at work) reading the new website. I must admit trying to hide the smile has been hard and I truly think just the presence of this website is what we need. Hyperion have delivered so much and continue to do so, what more can I possibly say than 'Thank you so much.' During these hard times some of us have stayed, some of us have come back frequently, some have come back infrequently and some, well some turned down the dark path and forever may it control their destinies. But the thing is NOW we have something to show off.

So what if there may be coding errors on the website. Ask yourself one thing... did it work? It's spawned one of the fastest growing threads I've ever seen and I believe a lot of sleeping giants have woken up - now tell me that's not achievement. How many people have posted that haven't posted in a while? The fact is it works, people on multiple platforms including Amiga can view what is to come, to compare it to Apple's/Microsoft site is unfair, they've had years to develope. Allow Hyperion time to develope, from nothing they have produced this and from this what they produce can only get better...

Hyperion, we praise you...

I love the notion of AOS 4.0 on my MDA III...

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That comment was originally intended for a person with limited imagination.

LOL! Nearly spilled my beer

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Hyperion don't listen to those morons here who only want to ruin your day. Your OS4 website is fantastic, and 99% of us here are extremely proud of your work.

Bullseye. I could not agree more.

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