@Flexinoodle

I'm not excusing Rogue if he is insulting to people sometimes, but there is a difference between and Seehund. And no it is not that Rogue is viewed as some sort of God that has it immunity to do what he wants here. It is the simple fact that he is doing something to push the market forward and not whittering on about the same old, same old.

@sundown

Do you mean MooBunny? Hmm is it really under a rock..

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@Adam

I just had a look at Morphzone and there is a user who hopes that after the 1.7Ghz module is proven on A1 that you might do the same for PegII. I don't know how feasible this would be but if you could do it, it might help bring costs down if there were enough interest in the MorphOS community.

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I just had a look at Morphzone and there is a user who hopes that after the 1.7Ghz module is proven on A1 that you might do the same for PegII.

That migth not be a bad idea, that may result in better prices in the future if there is Double? amount of cpus ordered.

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Very useful comment. Any facts to back up your allegation?
No? Thought not.

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@Samwel

Right, and I'm sure it'll be a good heatsink.
I'm just concerned with long term repairability.
The fans on heatsinks wear out and need replacement.
A flimsy heatsink mount requires some expertise
to replace correctly.

While it might be "overkill", having clips on board
that will allow the use of a standard heatsink from
an "Athlium" processor would make it simple to source
and solid to replace. Overkill perhaps but a big
step forward in the reliability of the product.

I wonder how many dead A1 processors are due to heatsink
mounting failure after someone went looking around?

Just thinking out loud.. regardless of the mounting, I'm
glad to have an upgrade path!

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Btw regarding the price of the 7448 1.7GHz CPU module.

Neko (Genesi employee) says (in a MorphZone thread) that the price for a 7448
1.7GHz CPU is 350$. Which is very high by itself regarding the performance.

So..
Isn't 850$ a bit expensive if the major part cost way less than half the price?
Maybe 600-700$ would be more appropriate?!
What is really making the module SO expensive? Scale of economics yeah but
that can't be the only reason?

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Neko (Genesi employee) says (in a MorphZone thread) that the price for a 7448

Hm, maybe they have the better sources. I am pretty sure he also did not mention development costs (building a mega array adapter with 0 docu ?) or manufactoring costs. Well, maybe Genesi can build the boards cheaper, too. Who knows.

Fact is, however, Genesi doesn't build a module for the A1. And the Sonnet modules are cheaper, too. And still, its irrelevant for us. Pittifull, but irrelevant.

I wouldn't mind to pay less, though. But that's just where we are at.

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@Samwel

I wouldn't take claims from ex-competitors too seriously. We don't know Adam's ordering arrangements or theirs. Genesi may claim that they can get CPUs at much lower prices, but that's their business, not ours.

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Just realised that Adam's prices are RETAIL, not manufacturing cost. So even if the CPU cost only US$350, two lots of markup (Adam's and a retailer's) would easily get the price up to US$850.
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Just a note to anyone else who posts a trolling, flaming, or OT comment in this thread. You will be looking at a few days off from your account.

Some of the previous comments have already been edited, and more will likely come. Still reviewing.

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Good to see positive news about any Amiga hardware.

Sad to see that the bitter past still plays a part in the present.

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@tonyw

Well he actually said in a thread before ACK made their news so I'm quite
sure it has nothing to do with the "competition"..
It was in context with some Pegasos users complaining about not getting
a CPU upgrade card for PegasosII as BBRV apparently had said they would
in a blog or something of the sort..
Neko said it was too expensive just to make 200 boards for upgrades, which
he believed would be how many would be interrested in the first place.

I'm starting to understand why they're not making it for Pegasos

In comparison, a whole full setup containing PegasosII mainboard, 1GHz 7447
CPU on a external board, DDR memory, harddrive, DVD-drive, case, keyboard &
mouse is cheaper than the 1.7GHz module from ACK. Why's that?

Don't get me wrong I'm really glad we're getting these upgrades/replacements.
I'm just wondering why everything for OS4 has to be so expensive.

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I'm just wondering why everything for OS4 has to be so expensive.

Didn't you just answer that question yourself ?

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Neko said it was too expensive just to make 200 boards for upgrades, which

So, what does that mean ? They are not available or what ? Because 200 boards cannot be build for the said amount of money ?

With Genesi it was always the same thing. They wanted to sell stuff. For a given price. But we(*) did never really get anything. And if you call, then you get answers like this. I don't want to point fingers here. But, some people simply have the courage to tell the truth what a thing really costs. Some people might not want to here that, though.

(*) We in the sence when "we" were a company.

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@eha

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- Could you make a dual CPU module as well in 1.7 GHz+? I think the AmigaOS is already supporting it.

Do you mean that AmigaOS4 supports smp? I don't think it does, or otherwise Hyperion guys have not told us everything

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@Jorge

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Didn't you just answer that question yourself ?

No. What others call expensive we (OS4 crowd) call cheap. They call our
prices insane. Quite the difference don't you think?


To answer the other question. No I don't think they have ever released a
upgrade board for their G4 7447 1GHz CPU card.

I can somewhat understand them regarding the prices though.
Try to sell CPU card upgrades for double the price Mac owners pay and
Linux users would scream. We Amiga users are somewhat more used to
pay high prices due to low volume. But I think we have a limit to.

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insane

So ? I guess one has to be a bit crazy to stick with the Amiga these days. So what. Its my free will and nobody forces me to

But the point is, you can want this and that and promise a price and compare them with multi billion $ markets, but well, at a certain point you realise, there is a ratio of 1:10^9 (nah, lets say 1:10^6) between the Amiga market and the rest of the world (maybe 1:10^4 to the mac ?). Hm, having an expensive product available (!) or a cheap one - not!

And then, even if you would want to, you cannot produce at that price. Well, then you have the choice. Give up or try it with a higher price. Guess what, found a croud who's willing to pay. I call that a market. Small but there. A pitty, sure, but what can one do. It would require a company the size of Sony or MS or IBM (etc) to make a difference. Won't happen.

But maybe, the rich fellas might be able to get something started. What about that ? It has to start somewhere. (I don't consider myself rich, but I still want to get my change together an will try to buy one). And it will hopefully be enough to generate so much momentum to allow an entry level product to emerge and to be successfull and everybody can participate (Hoorrray!).

My first C64 with a floppy drive did cost around $1200 I think to recall. At a time where that was a hughe pile of money.

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Sidenote: We had that before. At a time when the CS-PPC was available we could have sold 3x-4x the number of boards. But we had waiting periods of a couple of weeks or month to get the boards. I think the reason was the same. Someone wanted to have a lower price on an already expensive product just to save some cents. Eventually they went out of business. Our customers complaint and would even have paid more just to get one...

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@Seehund

Your problem is that you don't seem to know how to comment without insulting people. You can blame yourself when people react like they do.

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Me: - Could you make a dual CPU module as well in 1.7 GHz+? I think the AmigaOS is already supporting it. miksuh: Do you mean that AmigaOS4 supports smb? I don't think it does, or otherwise Hyperion guys have not told us everything

I'm pretty sure they have not told us everything... But I did remember that they had one dual CPU tested in their own systems, and got it working. Also I remember reading a mention about smp support coming even in OS4.?.

Well, I would surely like to have it available whenever it happens, and not buying another upgrade every 2-3 years. We are using Amigas, not M$ products!-)

If I would have AmigaOne XE or MicroA1, I would probably want that 1.7GHz CPU module too..

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@Samwel

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Do you mean MooBunny? Hmm is it really under a rock..

Got a PM about that post, so we should put this topic to bed.

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Isn't 850$ a bit expensive if the major part cost way less than half the price? Maybe 600-700$ would be more appropriate?! What is really making the module SO expensive? Scale of economics yeah but that can't be the only reason?

You're forgetting the pc board & the megarray connector. It costs quite a bit to have an outsource company produce & install the components. Producing a multi-layer board is not cheap & most builds use surface mount components which takes special equipment. Couple all that with a small order & the price starts to make sense. To all that, you have to give Adam some profit for his time.

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