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Between now and May 22/2006, I will have a much better idea of the demand split and take it from there. If I can hold the price on the lower speed module and upgrade the speed, I will.

Are you planning a one time run with pre-orders or will this be an on going production run? I'd love to have the 1.7Ghz, but a 1.3Ghz at a lower price would be tempting.

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I say ditch the low speed cpus and let's concentrate on high speed stuff with a PVixxen able to run a 1.7GHz or more with future upgrades, DDR up to 4GB, AGP or PCI-Express, 2 PCI, attachable to an A1200/4000 but not a necessity (standalone board). OS4 comes out, everyone buys the PVixxen, now named the A2 and everyone lives happily thereafter

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I hope the work that is involved with the CPU modules does not lead to further delays for the Powervixxen (still no news item btw).
In general, the production of the CPU modules is a good idea and good news for the existing community, yet it shows how blatantly uncompetitive the PPC platform is regarding price/performance ratio.

What we really need is cheap entry hardware that sells in volumes.

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Neko (Genesi employee) says (in a MorphZone thread) that the price for a 7448 1.7GHz CPU is 350$. Which is very high by itself regarding the performance. So.. Isn't 850$ a bit expensive if the major part cost way less than half the price? Maybe 600-700$ would be more appropriate?! What is really making the module SO expensive? Scale of economics yeah but that can't be the only reason?

I cannot get parts in the volumes I'm looking for at a $350.00 per unit price. Scale of the production run is the only thing affecting the price. As relationships get developed and the volumes grow, that will surely change, but it is not the case at this point in time. Frankly, I'm offended that people have implied price gouging or suggested anything similar as it is far from the truth.

Adam

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Same old story. If you can do better, lets do it! Adam is doing a good job, if you have the skill to make cpu modules cheaper do it instead of ranting on forums.

Thanks Adam

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Frankly, I'm offended that people have implied price gouging or suggested anything similar as it is far from the truth.

Well a certain person has shown himself up by showing one face here and another spiteful one at Moobunny - I enjoy his intelligent banter and I was disappointed that he dropped to this level. (It's easy to forget that many people are members of all Amiga forums!).

On the pricing, you say people - yes 2 or 3 people - the usual suspects. Most people are appreciative of your work and are a lot happier since you started communicating.

You need a thick skin to some extent but you also need to remember that the vast majority of people on AW.Net and A.ORG are behind you.

Well said!

I am behind you...I am behind you......BOO!

Just being silly!

But really anything new, hardware wise is welcome!

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I think we could all help Adam if we pulled together and rather than just saying aye in a forum. How about we conduct a survey amongst members and potentially interested parties, it would have to be a serious and well thought out survey.

Obviously start with the usual would you be interested, (but possibly cater for other desktop OS's), would you be interested if lower priced, would you trade performance for costs, and what I think would be useful is an idea of the numbers of people that would buy one but don't have a compatible motherboard. Then this information could be used by another Hyperion/Trokia/Adam-like person to create a gauge a potential market for any products they wish to introduce.

If you think this might be a good idea I think a polling of minds would be useful to generate a survey and get it distributed to more than just our small bunch of selves...

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Since some have asked for comparisons with similar Mac products, I can tell you some things:

There is currently no 7448 CPU module for Power Mac (there is one upgrade for PowerBooks). There are however a number of 7447A modules. The fastest is a single 7447A @ 2GHz (370USD) or dual 7447As @ 1.8GHz (630USD). For the 1GHz modules, usually a 7455 is used (195USD).

I took these prices from the Other World Computing website, which is pretty competitive on price.

Some things to know about G4 CPUs. The 7448 CPU has 1Mb L2 Cache, the 7447A has 512Kb L2 Cache, the 7455 has 256K L2 Cache and 1Mb or 2Mb L3 Cache (running at quarter CPU core speed, or so). Also, the 7448 is faster clock for clock than the 7447A.

For the current Amiga, the large level 2 cache in the 7448 will make a big difference.

Are these prices a rip off? Given the market (maybe he can sell 50 to 500 with luck) and the development work (people too often forget how hard it is to design hardware, and that this costs many dollars), I don't think so. And for awhile at least you can have an Amiga that is better than most Power Mac G4s for CPU.

Is it worth the price? Only you can know this. But remember, by spending your money on Amiga products, you help the Amiga developers and Amiga community grow.

Personally, I would like an adaptor for Power Mac G4 CPU modules to be used in the A1. The market for this adaptor might be bigger than for a CPU module, but might be a much bigger technological challenge.

Also, I have one question. Does this CPU module include a heastsink/fan?

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Also, I have one question. Does this CPU module include a heastsink/fan?

Yes, absolutely a requirement of this product.

Adam

I hope it's a silent fan because otherwise a lot of people will start tinkering with it.

Video cards these days also have crap coolers. The first thing I had to do for my 6800GT was replace it with a Zalman cooler to get better cooling performance and a lot of noise reduction.

I'm interested in the 1.7 GHz version by the way but have sent you an E-mail already.

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I cannot get parts in the volumes I'm looking for at a $350.00 per unit price. Scale of the production run is the only thing affecting the price. As relationships get developed and the volumes grow, that will surely change, but it is not the case at this point in time. Frankly, I'm offended that people have implied price gouging or suggested anything similar as it is far from the truth.

Out of interest, how many units would be required to get that kind of price?

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@ackcontrls Quote: I cannot get parts in the volumes I'm looking for at a $350.00 per unit price. Scale of the production run is the only thing affecting the price. As relationships get developed and the volumes grow, that will surely change, but it is not the case at this point in time. Frankly, I'm offended that people have implied price gouging or suggested anything similar as it is far from the truth. Out of interest, how many units would be required to get that kind of price? Hans

Probably looking at 1000 at a time with expected annual volumes in the 5k to 10k range...depending on how interested Freescale is in arranging special pricing.

Ah, so that's basically impossible unless a lot more Amigaone boards are sold than currently exist. Or, you'd need multiple products that use this particular chip that are going to be sold in numbers.

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1000 chips at $350.00 USD is still $350,000.00 USD worth of chips no matter how you look at it.

Adam

@ Hans

Is that a slick way to ask if the redisigned Power Vixxen is going to use these modules?
I am wondering that.

But then only Time Will Tell

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Is that a slick way to ask if the redisigned Power Vixxen is going to use these modules?

For the price he was targetting for PowerVixxen, I don't think these modules will work wiht it. I also don't think such an arrangement would fit into an A1200 very well.

But, with desktops and towers having a little more room, it might be a clever addition to the A3000/4000 accelerators he's mentioned in the past, if they are released. Sure, it might be cheaper for us if it took Mac accelerators instead, but for ACK it'd make more sense to share as many of his own design pieces as possible.

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