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1000 chips at $350.00 USD is still $350,000.00 USD worth of chips no matter how you look at it.

Anybody got a spare $350,000.00? It's for a good cause and you get to keep all the unused chips.

@timewilltell

Not really. I don't think that this particular chip is suited to the PowerVixxen. Also, a 1.7 GHz PowerVixxen is going to cost a lot more than $300 US. Still, it would be nice.

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Noooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo!

I can't think of other Amiga users having a 1.7GHz cpu and, if I buy one, having to use a "crappy" 400MHz cpu with the PVixxen....no way!

I am going to cry!

I want a 1.7GHz to 2+GHz Amiga, it is not fair! LOL!

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You're forgetting the pc board & the megarray connector. It costs quite a bit to have an outsource company produce & install the components. Producing a multi-layer board is not cheap & most builds use surface mount components which takes special equipment

I must give Commodore credit, looking at an A1200 mobo and you realize how they kept the cost down, maybe even using a very low layered board design.

With soldered on cpu, gfx and sound on board and no expansion slots at all just a custom expansion slot like an A1200 -How much £££ could be saved in development / fabrication ?

Jeez any specced Amiga mobos will sell like hot cakes around £200

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Anybody got a spare $350,000.00? It's for a good cause and you get to keep all the unused chips.

If he's got a working product and a bunch of customers lined up, it shouldn;t be too hard to find a bank to get a loan from to be paid back with sales revenues.

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I must give Commodore credit, looking at an A1200 mobo and you realize how they kept the cost down,

Yeah, by using half-arsed PCMCIA and IDE. By not fitting any fast ram, by shoehorning semi-new boards (A500+, A4000) into out-of-date cases. Not sure we want to follow in their footsteps too closely

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@ackcontrls

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I cannot get parts in the volumes I'm looking for at a $350.00 per unit price. Scale of the production run is the only thing affecting the price. As relationships get developed and the volumes grow, that will surely change, but it is not the case at this point in time. Frankly, I'm offended that people have implied price gouging or suggested anything similar as it is far from the truth.

Ok. Then we might hope that the prices will drop in time. Maybe second production
run? Genesi must have good relations with Freescale to get these prices (350$
per unit for max 200 units). Hopefully you will get good relations with them in time
aswell.

Sorry, I didn't mean that you where price gouging.
I only wondered why everything Genesi makes is cheaper than everything for OS4,
mostly A1's and their huge prices compared to Pegasos when having much lower
specs and produced in higher quantities. They must have such good connection to
Freescale that they get low volume CPU orders for high volume prices then?!

I'm actually happy that you're making these upgrades and would like to thank you
for all time and effort you have put into this. High prices or not you will have a
customer in me. Maybe even for the 1.7GHz version if I know that it could be used
in a new motherboard in the future.

If you have some time to spare I would very much like to have some specs on the
size of the CPU module? I might have to change case to fit it.
Have you investigated a possible adaptor for use of Mac upgrades? Maybe this
is impossible?

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Have you investigated a possible adaptor for use of Mac upgrades? Maybe this is impossible?

I have spoken with several different Mac accelerator suppliers and they won't release the information on the pinout. Even pinouts for the much older style cards for the 8500 type machines are not available. I also don't consider a Meg-Array type connector plugged into a Meg-Array adapter to be a stable enough mounting configuration. Then there also exists the validation issue that would be present. Testing each available CPU for functionality would become a monumental task.

Adam

@ackcontrls

Thanks for the answer.
You give some valid points on this subject for sure. I only asked because the
Mac upgrades are quite cheap in comparison due to higher volume.
But I should have guessed you'd already checked this possibility

You didn't answer my question about the size though. Is this not final or do you
actually not know the exact size of the production unit yet?

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Same old story. If you can do better, lets do it! Adam is doing a good job, if you have the skill to make cpu modules cheaper do it instead of ranting on forums.

Well spoken.

If you don't like it don't buy it.

Or build a cheaper and better one yourself.
Just be constructive, please

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Perhaps you could forge a "Buyers CoOperative" with Troika to get to that magic 1000 cpu's figure ?

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Perhaps you could forge a "Buyers CoOperative" with Troika to get to that magic 1000 cpu's figure ?

As cool as that would be, it would probably mean that Troika would have to do another re-design.

Please ackcontrls give us news about PowerVixxen (PV) I want PV, I WANT PV, I WANT PV!!

@ackcontrls

It's probably too late to suggest this, but why wasn't it possible to buy the cheap CPU boards that Genesi gets from Freescale for its Pegasos boards, and make an adaptor? was it an engineering problem or a commercial one? I mean, I somehow doubt that Genesi is selling Pegasos systems by the hundreds of thousands, so it's possible to get cheap CPUs if you don't mind the form factor.

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So now we know, no price gouging is involved.


Shame on you for thinking so.

Remember, genesi has WAY MORE capital than Adam or Eyetech ever had. (Not that I know the amount in each of their bank accounts.)

There's ALSO the dealers share, you know?


Think of it this way, the CS-PPC used to cost $1,200 and it was AT MOST 240 MHz. @ 1.7 GHz, that's 7 * $1,200 = $8,400!!!!!


I've e-mailed you that I am going to get a 1.7 GHz one already.


That means onl one Amy '05, rather than the 2 I was hoping to get.


But, as was pointed out, is upgrading really going to be that necessary in the future?


I've seen that a 2.26 GHz computer COULD be very powerful, except when it's crippled by a wretched OS, well, it's just a paper weight then.



What WON'T be possible at 1.7 GHz that a 3.7 GHz p4 can do?

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What WON'T be possible at 1.7 GHz that a 3.7 GHz p4 can do?

Oblivion.

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Oblivion.

Well, as long as it could do Gothic 2 (which is still superiour to Bethesda's offerings), I would be happy.

Kay

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Hi Bodie_CI5,


Well, at AGP *2, and being hopelessly lost at 9xx0 ATI power level, I suppose you're right.

But, is it such a low and terrible state, really?

3 years ago, it was cutting edge, and it's still light years ahead of Amigas of 1994, which DID work on early Babylon 5 episodes.


And that's, pretty darn good!!!

hey man,

You asked what could not be done, I answered

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The argument AGAINST adapter boards.

I'm a bit out of my league, most of my designs are well below
the Ghz range, but I'll take a shot at responding.

The number of connections to a modern processor is pretty high.
The speed of each of those signals is very high as well. Routing
these signals through a connector adds another big opportunity
to degrade the signal quality.
All of the above are part of the formula for what we run today.
It's not an easy task to get all that working right. Equal length traces,
trace impedance and capacitance affecting signal quality, designing
for worst-case scenarios.. it gets really involved to do it right.

Now when you talk about a processor adapter board. well, now you
have two dissimilar connectors with mostly or completely passive
traces connecting them. Things get a LOT more interesting. The
likelihood of degrading some (or many) signals beyond usable just
got very high.

Add to that the mechanical problems, trying to keep all connections
secured at both connections with the mass of a heatsink on top of
it all (and a fan to cool it).

Finally, if something isn't quite right, who do you report it to? How can
you prove that the fault is in the processor module, or the adapter board,
or a design issue, or a power supply problem..?? This is a recipe for
public relations disaster.

I'm not saying it can't be done. I'm just saying I wouldn't trust a design
that had that many variables.

Just my opinion, and I'm NOT the smartest boards designer here. But
I know enough to be scared.

LyleHaze

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