@hatschi

Interesting question.

Let's see in a week or so, when the further information is released.

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Poster: hatschi Date: 27-Mar-2007 19:38:08 I wonder if "distribution" also implies some sort of OS-support (installation, etc.) by ACube. Rogue mentioned some time ago (before the "priority bump" for BPPC/CPPC) that it would be one hell of a job to support OS4 on BPPC/CPPC because of the variety of different configurations and add-on hardware. So maybe it *could* be a wise decision to get rid of that. Things can only get better Re: support anyway.

Or maybe Adam finally finished the PV1200 expansion in time for the OS4 for Classic release...

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Everything else is just pure speculation and rumor mongering.

But that was the point with the announcement wasn't it ?
To leave things unsaid so we could speculate .

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You are certainly free to believe Helgis instead of posts made by those familiar with the project. That is your choice.

*sigh* Like i said, i saw the mail from McEwen with my own eyes, so i know that Helgis was not bsiting about it.

Can you trust McEwen? That is a whole different question. I personally dont believe OS4 will materialize legally on the MiniMac.

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*sigh* Like i said, i saw the mail from McEwen with my own eyes, so i know that Helgis was not bsiting about it.Can you trust McEwen? That is a whole different question. I personally dont believe OS4 will materialize legally on the MiniMac.

Maybe you misunderstood the link I gave in post #198?
Adam proposed this, not Bill.
The idea was rejected, as stated.
I don't think we are disagreeing here about this, are we?
Compare the date of your email with the date of the post by Adam. Is it possible your email was from when they WERE considering it, and then Adam's post (later) was the result of the discussions?

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Is it possible your email was from when they WERE considering it, and then Adam's post (later) was the result of the discussions?

That could indeed be quite possible.. Though the email said absolutely nothing about adapting apple hardware. The mail was more about just a port from what i understood and that they already had some progress on getting it running on mini mac.

@mausel

Keep in mind that piracy has its benefits. While a significant portion of the Amiga community will buy OS4.0 because we care about it success, there are many users that wuould never buy it or may not consider buying it but would try a pirated copy. Even though these pirated copies are illegal, it would build the user base and thus increase attention, demand for products, create extra development. There is also a small percentage of pirated users that eventually buy the end product.

I do not see piracy as a significant issue. Proving a good price point, solid features and a relatively bug free operating envirnonment with a high user experience factor will overcome any piracy feature.

my two cents

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That could indeed be quite possible.. Though the email said absolutely nothing about adapting apple hardware. The mail was more about just a port from what i understood and that they already had some progress on getting it running on mini mac.

Drivers would be the issue, not the port.
Port of UBoot I remember was written about here to both Pegasos 1 and the
MPC5200.

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Or maybe Adam finally finished the PV1200 expansion in time for the OS4 for Classic release...

Thanks, I needed as good laugh. Sadly, every word regarding projects or dates ever uttered from Adam were never borne out...I just don't see it happening.
Where did the 'more news on Monday' come from, though?

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You're not alone in your belief. Many prominent people in the technology industry, including marketting types, have commented on this phenomenon. It's a form of advertising and market penetration. Even Microsoft has been known to practice this "tolerance" more accutely in emerging markets such as China and India than they have in Western countires. It's been documented and it's an undeniable fact.

People like John C. Dvorak of PC Magazine fame, for years has disputed the inflated claims that many software companies have made about losses from potential sales due to piracy. For instance he's pointed out that software companies assume that if some 50% of installations of their software is pirated, that this would equate to 50% more sales, when in reality, many people either "try and trash" software, meaning that this instance of piracy at no point could have been deemed as being equated to a potential sale, or "try and eventually buy", meaning that the piracy actually ended increasing the likelihood of an eventual sale, whereas it may not have been the case otherwise. As a software title or brand becomes more entrenched as a standard in the market as more people use it, whether legitimately or not, and it demonstrates it's value proposition clearly and affordably to potential consumers, it ends up increasing market penetration and possible dominance in the end.

For instance, consider the countless students out there that pirate full versions instead of the limited or crippled student/academic version (if available) of either run of the mill software software or highly specialized software such as CAD or other scientific or engineering software. The use of the some of these titles by academia, professors and their students helps entrench the use of the software as a standard in many of the businesses that these people will either start or end up working for, thus driving further market penetration and helping it become the standard as these businesses buy and standardize their operations around these titles.

Or take for instance, my battle with companies that will not give independant consultants that are not resellers per se (even ones that are incorporated) a break by offerring NFR copies of their software at reduced costs for building and maintaing expertise on their software solutions. Through my consulting over many years, I have helped close countless millions of dollars in sales for Citrix, VMware, Microsoft, and many others without obtaining commissions on these sales seeing as I sell my services and expertise in these products, not the products...well not directly anyway. The products end up being sold to my clients indirectly due in great part to my integrating them sucessfully and demonstration their feasibility and their value proposition in my clients' networks. This ends up in sales for the software manufacturer, but not by me. I would think that a discounted consulting partners program where one can get a break on the cost of the software so that I can maintain my level of practical and hands on knowledge of the current and future products through their use in sandboxes might be in their interest aswell as mine, but saddly, many companies are too dense to consider this synergy. Microsoft has Technet Plus for this, Citrix used to have a similar program, but VMware has had it's head completely burried up it's a$$ about this as it killed it's all VMTN program after only a year of being announced.

Bottom line is, like it or not, there are losses but there can also be substantial gains be had by companies whose software is pirated - exposure and therefore a form of guerilla/underground/unnoficial marketting. You may not want to advertise or openly encourage people to pirate your software, but the type of anti-piracy measures you put in place to protect your ptoduct has to be proportional to the level of market penetration you already have. For instance a fledgling startup company with stringent anti-piracy measures hardly ever makes it in the long run, specially in market spaces where they are not alone or entirely unique, because these prevented their software from bing "tried" and thereby by help make its value proposition clear to more potential users in the beginning. Think of Microsoft and many other market leaders and their ever gradual but increasing methods to protect their software over the years, then you have AOS4 is with its anti-piracy dongle - the A1.

Just my two dollars worth.

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Where did the 'more news on Monday' come from, though?

The only place I see such a quote is from AW member Benji:
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@zerohero hehe - just wait until the next announcement on Monday...

Personally, I've heard -nothing- about a Monday announcement.
Maybe Benji thought Monday was April Fool's Day?

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I don't think a specific "Monday" news item has been promised.
Although I remember seeing something like more news before end of March
which is on Saturday. Any news not ready on Friday could then be posted on
Monday. This can be it maybe? SAM440 is said to be ready in Q1 2007. Any
delays should be posted 2 April at the very latest IMO.

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Poster: wegster Date: 29-Mar-2007 0:33:00 Thanks, I needed as good laugh. Sadly, every word regarding projects or dates ever uttered from Adam were never borne out...I just don't see it happening. Where did the 'more news on Monday' come from, though?

I try...

But still, even with the joking, a part of me hopes that some how he manages to shock us all.

@elatour

That's an insightful post, but you have to realize that piracy's effects are only positive when the market has reached a certain minimum size. For example, right now the OS4 market consists of ~1500 people. That means that for every 15 people that pirate any OS4 program, the market for that program shrinks by 1%. Pirates are unlikely to buy any software, all they do is make the software more popular and increase the chances of someone else buying it. The problems start when the ratio of pirates to paying customers is such that not enough copies of the software are sold to cover costs. That is what killed the Atari ST, they had such an organized pirate underground that even though there were hundreds of thousands of ST owners and most of them had a huge software library, the companies making the software could not sell enough copies to break even. This all happened well before the PC became a popular game computer, and may even have helped popularize the PC platform as the companies took their development there.

When the total market size is really small, as is the case with us, the ratio of pirates to paying customers doesn't have to be all that big to persuade companies that our market is not worth the risk.

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Think of Microsoft and many other market leaders and their ever gradual but increasing methods to protect their software over the years, then you have AOS4 is with its anti-piracy dongle - the A1.

That is a *really* bad example. Both Microsoft and Apple were protected from piracy in the critical early years, in MS's case because you could only buy MS-DOS with a new PC (over-the-counter DOS only came into being with MS-DOS 5) and in Apple's case because MacOS (or System, as it was called then) was mostly ROM. So they both had "dongles", namely the computers they were tied to.

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