Hi Everyone,

As an owner of an XE and two micros, I am glad to see some upgrades available. However, I have to be honest. I would not upgrade the CPU in my XE. For one, the thing is fast enough for my use. Second, it has some hardware bugs (need to dump that via chip). What we really need is some new motherboards. I know of quite a few people that would buy one tomorrow if they were available. I would buy a couple to replace this XE and maybe one of the micros.

Yogi27

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bah! I hate it when someone tops me

Unsurprisingly !!


To top someone over here means to Kill them !!

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@ Yogi

Yeah, new motherboards are a must and hopefully whatever comes out is available more expediently than the A1s were (not dissing Alan's efforts here in any way).

@Editor

lol, see what I mean

btw, if you haven't checked out your 21st B'day thread, happy b'day mate

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ah..Thanks dude(s) !!

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The argument AGAINST adapter boards.

Well, anything else would be another motherboard or computer. AmigaOS isn't allowed to be developed and sold for anything else.

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The number of connections to a modern processor is pretty high. The speed of each of those signals is very high as well. Routing these signals through a connector adds another big opportunity to degrade the signal quality.

In that respect what we have here seems to be almost the same as a 242-pin Slot-1 or Slot-A connection/CPU-module of yore. 100 MHz (or 133 MHz if you're adventurous, it seems) signalling through a 300-pin connector.

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Finally, if something isn't quite right, who do you report it to? How can you prove that the fault is in the processor module, or the adapter board, or a design issue, or a power supply problem..?? This is a recipe for public relations disaster.

The PR disaster happened back when Eyetech decided to sell Terons. The bed is already made, it can hardly get any worse. "AmigaOnes" were never covered by any warranty worth its name from the distributor, despite all the assurances of the opposite.
This is a product for an unsupported product's aftermarket. In case ACK will have difficulties to honour warranties, I guess it's the same old story: customers will have to rely on the generosity of individual dealers.

Regardless of what aftermarket component you install, it's up to you as a customer to prove that problems are the fault of the respective component, at least according to Swedish (and EU?) consumer law. Most normal vendors will take the customer on his words and simply hand them a replacement/refund, but as you note it would be difficult to tell exactly where a problem is likely to be found in this case. It's a reverse-engineered central component of a known flaky other product. Maybe ACK or some dealers will offer some diagnostics service, which will be free of charge if the fault is in the CPU module. Maybe not. Again, the f*ckup happened years ago, and this product is a very expensive band-aid on the gaping wound. Still it's all there is, and I have a sneaking suspicion that most of the people who could possibly be interested in buying this product have other priorities than cost effectiveness and consumer protection...

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Oh, bother.

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Think of it this way, the CS-PPC used to cost $1,200 and it was AT MOST 240 MHz. @ 1.7 GHz, that's 7 * $1,200 = $8,400!!!!!

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3 years ago, it was cutting edge, and it's still light years ahead of Amigas of 1994, which DID work on early Babylon 5 episodes.

Why the holy heck would anyone think of it that way, other than as a general observation confirming that "computers get faster and cheaper over time, but less so for AmigaOS users even now when there's no rational reason for that difference"?

The ENIAC used to cost half a million 1946 dollars. The PDP-11/20 used to cost $20,000. What's the relevance of Amigas or ENIACs or PDP-11s in 2006? This isn't half a century, one or three decades or even 3 years ago. It's today.

If you wish to make irrelevant comparisons, you might as well think of it this way: An "AmigaOne" motherboard with a 1 GHz G4 used to cost a whopping ~$900. Some three years later, an amount in the same ballpark will only get you a CPU module.

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@Seehund

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and this product is a very expensive band-aid on the gaping wound.

I take it you won't be buying either module, then.

@ Colin,

I lol'd

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bah! I hate it when someone tops me

There's always the option to ban him and edit the post...

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Most excellent news! Have to get me one of those beasties and see how much faster my compiles can become...

Hopefully we can see a few A1s resurrected as well. We all know there are some dead A1s out there just waiting for a CPU module so perhaps we can get them back up and running.

The only bad news is the stirring up of the same group of naysayers yet again. I just wish they'd vote solely with their money and shut up for a change. Sigh.

As always though, let's believe it when it ships.

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EDIT: Post deleted, it was just feeding a flamer.

Saluditos,

Ferrán.

Last edited by Ferry on 26-Apr-2006 at 08:26 PM.

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Why do you care so much...

Please get another hobby than discussing me. Over 4000 accounts have been registered here, please pick another to rag on, this is getting old.

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Aaahh, now I get it: you, Seehund the Wiseman, ...

It doesn't seem like you get it. It seems like you haven't read the actual contents of the post(s) you reply to. To me it seems like you're just interested in picking a fight with more silly meta-discussion about the discussion and about the people participating.

Oddly, that seems to be encouraged. My first comment disappeared (apparently the copulating bananas were "trolling" and they couldn't be edited out, or something), but the off-topic banter which ensued remains, including some of the obvious trolls/flames.

I'm not any "wiser" than you (or anybody else) are when you say that this stuff is expensive.

As for the on-topic part:
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Do you know what's a hobby? Do you want to know how much does a kart cost? Yes, you could buy a nearly-new second hand car for the same price. Do you know the price of an aeromodel? And the price of a golf set? How much does it cost to customize a car? And to mantain it?

If you actually read my posts, you will find that I haven't contested this. FFS, it's a core issue. AmigaOS is mostly a "hobbyist" OS, but apparently this makes some people and companies believe that the hardware it runs on ALSO MUST BE "hobbyist" hardware, and ONLY "hobbyist" hardware, all while there's not one single rational reason for or benefit with this. This isn't directly related to these CPU modules, but its pricing is a result of this, they're supposed to be sold to a subset of the tiny "AmigaOne" after-market. Not only is it small, but there are also some people on that market who are prepared to pay insane amounts of cash for basically anything.

Take that golf set you mentioned for example. Is there one single good reason for that you should only be allowed to put your Ping golf clubs in a Ping (or Ping-licensed) golf bag? "The clubs are expensive, so it's OK or even beneficial to only be allowed to buy an expensive bag" doesn't cut it as a reason, IMO. Especially not when basically every other golf bag on the planet is better and cheaper...

The "hobby" which I guess most of us on this site have in common is AmigaOS. The Amiga is long since dead, so hardware should be allowed to be the commodity that it really is. I don't "care so much" about what people do with their money. I don't give a sh17, really (but I reserve the right to laugh at some people, at least in private ;)). Darwin awards, Schadenfreude, and all that...
What I do care about is that I and probably thousands more won't get to buy AmigaOS, and AmigaOS is dying, because a company that has f*ck all to do with hardware "cares so much" about where we should be allowed to buy our hardware.

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Oh, bother.

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The only bad news is the stirring up of the same group of naysayers yet again. I just wish they'd vote solely with their money and shut up for a change. Sigh.

Ahhh....just ignore those nitwits. It's the best thing to do.

Even though we lack memory speed and AGP Bandwidth, Rogue's 1.4 GHz G4 CPU module has shown that there is still a lot of benefit over the G3 and G4 at 800 Mhz.

And yes it's expensive but that is no big surprise now is it if you consider all things.

I wonder how the ordering goes. I want te be in the first batch.

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@Seehund

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Please get another hobby than discussing me.

Agreed, now I realize it's pretty stupid way of wasting time discusing you. Sorry. You should follow your own advices, btw...

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My first comment disappeared [...], but the off-topic banter which ensued remains

Agreed again, I wrote it in a moment of weakness. Post deleted. It's quite stupid to feed a flamer...

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I'm not any "wiser" than you (or anybody else) are when you say that this stuff is expensive.

I DO have an A1, so it will be expensive, or not, for me, I have even considered it. Will you buy any, or are you discussing for the sake of discussing/flaming?

Last message on the subject, no more "weak moments" left this month.

Saluditos,

Ferrán.

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@Seehund

Yeah we all know the licence scheme is f**ked up.. So what? What can we
users do about it? Don't buy anything to run OS4 so OS4 dies?!?
That's not an option for me. I want OS4 to succeed in the end. Even it it takes
10 years instead of 3 with PC hardware

You talk to everyone here like they like the licence scheme.. Maybe some
do (some names do pop up in my head) but I guess most don't. But they do
accept the situation as it is and don't keep on and on about it.
Other than buying it off Amiga Inc there's really not much we can do.

A1's where expensive yes.. They're not here anymore so we can stop talking
about them in connection with licences, that's old news. Let's complain when
new boards do appear and have the same high price.

Adam did mention something about upcoming products, maybe he meant a
motherboard for these CPU modules. That would indeed make them cheaper
in time.

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Just had a thought about the guy who wanted a Pegasos version. Surely it wouldn't be too difficult to make a Pegasos CPU module with a Megarray socket built in.

@ Bodie_Ci5



Cooler parts....


hmmm




oh yeah your right !!

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Adam.. *PowerVixxen* amigans *PowerVixxen* need *PowerVixxen* an *PowerVixxen* update *PowerVixxen* about *PowerVixxen* the *PowerVixxen* other *PowerVixxen* product *PowerVixxen*.

See, we do agree on some things?

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