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Software News   Software News : OWB - The first (in)complete modern Web Browser
   posted by afxgroup on 24-Dec-2007 10:12:50 (16605 reads)
OWB - Origyn Web Browser for AmigaOS4
The first (in)complete Modern Web Browser for AmigaOS4

I'm happy to announce that today we have a web browser for AmigaOS4 that supports almost all modern web technologies.

Since it is a project in an early state I'll write first what doesn't work.. Don't expect at moment Tool bars and all other things present in all browser. But i assure you that we are working on this. But i would release something for Christmas also to see your feedback about this browser.

OK. Let's go...



WHAT DOESN'T WORK:
# FILE TRANSFER
# Cookies: sometimes and on some sites login is impossible.
# Crashes: There are some sites that crashes and you could have some crashes on
exit. Don't send me crash logs.. the functions that crashes are known..
# Chars: Some chars like () in the Italian char actually are not printable.. :(
I can write to you a special version but is better to wait new releases
# Sites Display: 99% of sites works correctly.. but you could find some sites
that doesn't render well. On some sites you could have problem on window's
redraw
# Chinese fonts are not rendered (i think.. or i haven't found a right ttf
font..)
# Don't expect Flash/Movie plugins (at moment..)
# Sometimes the browser could send a bad request to the web server. Go back and
re click on the link
# Copy/Paste of text doesn't work at moment
#There isn't a scroll bar at momen
# maybe other

WHAT WORKS:
# IT IS FREE.. ;)
# NO BOUNTY OR OTHER.. ;)
# Javascript should work on 99% of the web sites
# CSS and all web technologies work perfectly
# True Type fonts are used to display fonts (see notes on how it works)
# SSL works (see notes)
# It is quite fast also on A1200 (well.. doesn't expect the same speed as on an A1..)
# Is updated daily by the OWB developers (and me..)

INSTALLATION AND USAGE:
Copy the fc-cache file included in C/ dir into your C: directory (even if is not is needed) and run it.
Copy the files included in the FONTS/ directory into your FONTS: directory
Copy the files included in the S/ directory into your S: directory
Mount the RANDOM: device from SYS:Storage/DosDrivers/ (or copy it into DEVS:DosDrivers/)

To launch OWB just click on its icon or run from the shell with this syntax:

owb URL

The first time you run it, it will search the FONTS:_TrueType/ directory to see what ttf fonts are available and create some cache files, so you may have to wait for some seconds, depending on how many files you have there. If you run fc-cache first, the owb launch will be fast

To navigate back and forth, use:
ALT -> to go forward
ALT <- to go back

Thanks to everyone working on or testing it!
Thanks to Mason and Kens for their icons!
It's Christmas.. remember me! :)

Thank you and Merry Christmas!
Andrea Palmatè
http://www.amigasoft.net

File is availabbel on OS4Depot..
    

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Re: OWB - The first (in)complete modern Web Browser
Posted on 25-Dec-2007 11:34:16
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Works fine and renders even pages with Cyrillic text and UTF encoded, which never were shown properly under IBrowse (only ??????s instead of text).


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Great work, Andrea. We are proud to have a developer like you.

You have spent so many night in developing/compiling, bearing my screenshot requests.


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Posted on 25-Dec-2007 12:02:15
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Very nice work! Congratulations!


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Posted on 25-Dec-2007 13:06:06
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thx on this great tips :) killer combination OS4+ib+owb :)


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Congratulations Andreas and all of us AmigaOS4 users!!
This man deserves some respect!
With YAM 2.5 and OWB we have a great suite of internet apps for this christmas!
Happy christmas!

Last edited by newlight on 25-Dec-2007 at 02:03 PM.


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Quote:
This will a very good task and in the Spirit of Amiga.


So a browser using SDL to render its whole "interface" is in the spirit of Amiga. The spirit has got really low then.
Quote:

I know Andrea dont need a Bounty .. but it is Christmas - and Andrea give us
a VERY NICE GIFT ! [Without a "big Hype"-except others->a full CSS browser in
6 month .. still waiting ....]


6 months to recompile something that has almost 0% specific os code would be more accurate (which means only only add tweaks/work arounds to the code so that it runs on a "not so posix" system). Just for the record, compiling webkit is the easy part. Now if you also just use SDL to do the real display work, there's nothing left to do (almost). The real work resides in the native backend used to display and handle content (which would rely on QT, SDL, MUI, Reaction, whatever).

I'm really surprised noone sees the difference between recompiling and actually porting a sofware using native toolkit, but well, nevermind.

Still, it this browser evolves it can be useful, but i don't see how it's comparable to any other effort, and btw, it would be completely useless to ib or aweb teams.

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@R-TEAM:

1) Had you actually donated any money to Sputnik bounty?
2) What stops anyone from donating to this browser also.
3) What is stopping this browser from becoming available in all Am*ga variants?


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@Insanity:
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Sorry, I seem to be mistaken. I was under the impression that the amizilla bounty had been split into 4 doable and equal parts, instead of the now humongous 4-system port.

If you do a port to 3.1 you could almost guarantee all the four. Well planned it is not as show stopper as you may think.

Quote:
I was also under the impression that it didn't require firefox per say, but rather a browser with similar functionality?

It indeed needs, therefore it is named Amizilla...


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Great news, this was very much needed.
Good work Andrea, and good luck finnishing it.


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@pixie
Quote:
If you do a port to 3.1 you could almost guarantee all the four. Well planned it is not as show stopper as you may think.


yeah,
but as I understand it pure 68k-version is going to be very difficult?
Dunno how much a 4.0 effort will differ from a 3.1 effort considering things such as libraries and memory protection? maybe someone who has ported gnu-software to native versions of both OSes can enlighten me here?

I still believe that it is a folly to force any one team to do it to all platforms. While some people might not agree I would like to hear their proposals to get any work done on it at all?

Quote:
It indeed needs, therefore it is named Amizilla...


Well. as I said, i didn't recall those details back then(including the name of the infamous $10k+ bounty).

PM me any answer. We're hijacking this news comments thread about OWB.

Last edited by Insanity on 25-Dec-2007 at 04:14 PM.


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@Jahc Thanks for the tip for starting OWB from IBrowse. Didnt think myself of starting it an easy way like this. Whos the king :)

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Some first screengrabs of OWB from italian user Pvanni member of ikirsector forum:

http://web.cheapnet.it/pvanni/amiga.jpg

http://web.cheapnet.it/pvanni/youtube.jpg

http://web.cheapnet.it/pvanni/corriere.jpg


Enjoy it...


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And another one:

http://www.amiga-ng.org/resources/OWB.jpg


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@afxgroup

First impression:
VERY positive.

#6


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Simply Amazing!

Only Amiga makes it possible once again

Congratulations!


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If this browser evolves, it'll push IBrowse development further as IBrowse will need to catch up with these features fast, and give us something new. :)

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Bravo Andrea!

It's a shame I'm not at home but as soon I will, OWB will be downloaded!

I also hope that it will push IB and AWeb to develop there soft faster ans also new features implemented ! Anyway It's really a good think to see all "commenter" so glad and happy... it means : Amiga Will be bbback again !

Nicola


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@afxgroup

Well done!
Thanks a lot for this nice Christmas gift!

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@Fab

Quote:
6 months to recompile something that has almost 0% specific os code would be more accurate (which means only only add tweaks/work arounds to the code so that it runs on a "not so posix" system). Just for the record, compiling webkit is the easy part. Now if you also just use SDL to do the real display work, there's nothing left to do (almost). The real work resides in the native backend used to display and handle content (which would rely on QT, SDL, MUI, Reaction, whatever).

I'm really surprised noone sees the difference between recompiling and actually porting a sofware using native toolkit, but well, nevermind.

I'm sure most of us see the difference, but it's just good to have something modern here. Yes its lacking, yes most of us are going to use IBrowse2.4 as our main browsers for now, but its working, and is a step in the right direction. Fce2 and marcik's efforts are more interesting for sure, because as you say they use native UI's, but for now at least, this is the best effort that OS4 users can run.

I donated 50 euro to the Sputnik on OS4 bounty btw. I'm not just a whinger. :)

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