@all

great aos4.1 running on sam pictures, on the acube site:

http://www.acube-systems.biz/fra/index.php

the wait is overpicture, with picture on the left and on the right.

-a wifi signal dock, a wifi-startup and sam-network ???

-some informations about sam on the ranger window.

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-A1200+Mediator+VooDoo3+060/50+96mo+SCSI-KIT
-SAM440EP-667mhz-on MapowerKC3000+AOS4.1

Amiga Docs Disks Preservation Project

@terminator3
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"Congratulations to the release.. Hope you sell millions.. Your worth every penny you earn!" not at that price. they won't sell even 10,000. Once again poor business practices by many amiga companies. Price would never be this high if they produced 25000 boards... I guess few people have the capital to make this happen. I made a mistake buying A1 and this won't happen again.

Price is right for a mini-itx with high quality and a lot of things on board, with no need for active cooling. You must remeber our market, they can't produce 10000 boards every week!! I think SAM is a very good start for our market, it costs less than A1 and OS4.1 is fast on it.

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@Yo

Not everyone can cough upp that amount of mony for a hobby, just like that. When you got family, kids, mortgage etc.

Especially when you have been without a new Amiga for 15 years and when you
know it won't do all the job the PC already sitting on the desk will do for you.
In 1992 or when it was when I got my A1200 then it was vice versa, then I had no kids,
no own house, no loans I could easily spend money on Amiga plus it did more than
a PC. (that I did not have sitting on the desk )

This can't be hard to understand, can it. I'm not saying I ever buy into a Amiga again
but at this point it costs more than it tastes.

So I'm waiting for the next versions, thanks.

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hardware-intensive solutions. And they'd go faster.-- D.Haynie

Producing 25,000 vs 10,000 units would certainly lower the price.
Costs:
$160 for OS 4.1
$700 for SAM440ep (667Mhz CPU)
total cost $860

The A1 with G4 800 mhz cost about $850 (mobo+os).
I will review it but will likely wait for higher spec system. Have you installed debian or other linux on it? how about playing dvds in mplayer???? doesn't it crawl??

@Oldfart

Thats because technology evolves and PC users are not Amigans, not hobbyists/collectors.
Our Amiga hardware keeps prices as there isn't enough of it...

@ferrels

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I recommend that people buy a system that they can actually use for real work. If you're looking for a hobby or a toy and have lots of disposable income, then by all means, buy a SAM440ep and OS4.1, but you'll get bored with your hobby rather quickly since there are no real applications out there. For those who don't have a lot of cash, I say they would be better off buying an x86 system and running Linux or Vista.

Why are you here?!

Do you even have any OS4 capable machine?

I only have my Amiga, as I have always. Now I have an AmigaOne XE since they came out. I have not gotten bored, and don't feel like I'm going to be fore quite a while.

I like the idea that the SAM came out, even though I'm not planning on buying one immediately. Perhaps later when I get more money, or if my A1 breaks down. And I won't get bored with it.

Why would people get bored with the SAM+OS4.1? Is it because it doesn't have an Office Suite (because using office tools is so much fun..)? Or is it because some crap Java games on the net doesn't work? (Java isn't needed in that many places. Flash is though..) Or because their latest Winblows games doesn't work?

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@ikir:

Sorry, I doubt Quake 3 itself has serious bugs. After all, it mostly opens OpenGL contextsand such. But I will update Q3 on weekend unless sky falls upon me.

@ikir

How fast is your SAM? Can you watch DVDs and play games in E-UAE?

@manu
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Not everyone can cough upp that amount of mony for a hobby, just like that. When you got family, kids, mortgage etc.

Oh yes, I agree. I couldn't possibly shell out even 300 euros myself, not without saving for several months to do it. My kids and family come first, they have to. I was addressing my comments more at the people who said it was *expensive*, however, it is all relative, isn't it? If you have been waiting for new hardware and the new OS to run on that, then... I would expect you either sell something to pay for it, save up to buy it at Christmas, or do whatever it takes to get it.

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This can't be hard to understand, can it. I'm not saying I ever buy into a Amiga again but at this point it costs more than it tastes. So I'm waiting for the next versions, thanks.

That's another valid option, wait for *different* new hardware
(Let's hope that doesn't turn into a game of Russian Roulette...)

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@Pentrite

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The day OS4 have a nice browser, an office suit (Openoffice, maybe) and can work with my RAW files from my Oly E-510, they have a customer. Great news by the way, never thought it would happen so soon.

with dcraw you can work with your Oly E-510 RAW files, for browser and
office apps other people has already answered

Last edited by pvanni on 18-Sep-2008 at 11:48 AM.

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IIUC, the potential for problems occurs when you start using compositing to deal with layers. Then you need one 9MB area to hold the final result to actually display, one 9MB area to hold the background image. Plus memory for each and every window on that screen --- and if one of them covers the whole screen (as is commonly the case), there goes another 9MB. Then you probably need to double-buffer the whole thing, because otherwise (compositing directly into the displayed area) you end up with ugly flicker, so there is another 9MB. Which means that a 1920x1200x32 screen with an image background and a single full screen window, would use more than 32MB of video memory to display. Keeping two such screens in video memory at the same time would already require some trickery (the two buffers of the double-buffered compositing area can be reused :), but start throwing in some extra windows, and things can get tight; You also start to have to deal with gfx memory fragmentation, especially if some app locks down its screen or pixmap by requesting a pointer to it.... And of course all that is before anyone even starts thinking about using actual 3D stuff, which needs all sorts of data structures in gfx memory. There is a reason gfx cards come with hundreds of MBs of memory these days...

Well, the transfer rate between main memory and VRAM should be fast enough to requite only 2 buffers, a display one and a work buffer, otherwise even older PC's with 4MB ATI TURBO64 (prior to RADEON and even RAGE) card wouldn't be able to display a 1280x1024x24bit screen which they indeed do. ...and so we are clear, I am talking about sub-1GHz x86 systems here...

Only games use the techniques you mention, not typically the OS...until Vista came along anyway...I don't know about MacOS....
...and now AmigaOS4.1...

Prior to this "windows" were rendered in main ram and passed to the gpu to be clipped into the current working buffer (vs. current displayed buffer) and when you consider all the resizing that can occur with "desktop" windows, I say it still makes sense to do so, but hey, I don't design OS's... Typically, desktop applications do not require 60fps rendering unless you are streaming video in a window (which is usually far below 60fps anyway)...which would still be streamed from HD->main ram->video ram (again I point to transfer rates from main ram to video ram)...

My guess is the active window is always in (or moved to) main ram and non-active ones can reside in video ram... This would seem ideal.

Again, only games 'require' assets to be in video ram because their assets are not dynamic and the what is dynamic can be computed on the gpu itself...

Now with the advent of 'draggable screens' so that it feels like a real amiga, this requires things to be in video ram to smoothen out the effect... So in a sense, being Amiga-like in the classic sense is why the "new" AmigaOS is inefficient with video memory. ;)

Heck, they might as well layer the screens isometrically at the touch of a key for when you want to switch screens so you can pick the screen you want "on top" quickly and directly (if you have many open)... :) ...but then they'd be copying features of high-end Vista systems and we wouldn't want to do that...

Rogue spaketh thusly..

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(And for the record, I still hate barre chords, although they don't leave so many imprints on my index finger anymore)

Barre chords are quite comfy.... DOUBLE barre chords hurt your wrist.

Double barre .. ie: "C" on third & fifth frets .. or D... or E.. etc

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@ikir

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I am a tester. Sure A1 has more powerfull G4, and i'm sure Quake3 will not run as fast as on it, but SAM really fly with OS4.1. Hyperion did a great Job with OS4.1 and compositing engine. The system is very fast on my SAM. I really don't miss my A1 for normal usage.

For "normal" usage of multiple applets/applications, the SAM may seem faster due to faster memory architecture... On single tasks, the A1+G4 may be faster...

Vesalia takes pre-orders for the Sam440ep including AmigaOS4.1

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What is the max memory the SAM can take?

Total memory?

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I guess 512MB onboard + 512MB in socket makes a total of 1GB. This is the max. what the cpu supports.

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Excellent!

1GB should do fine...

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Well, the transfer rate between main memory and VRAM should be fast enough to requite only 2 buffers, a display one and a work buffer, otherwise even older PC's with 4MB ATI TURBO64 (prior to RADEON and even RAGE) card wouldn't be able to display a 1280x1024x24bit screen which they indeed do. ...and so we are clear, I am talking about sub-1GHz x86 systems here...

The sub-1GHz x86 systems can include Intel 440BX/ZX based motherboards and AGP2X slot.

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oooh i can spot a few of my ports in the download dir on the second 4.1+sam screenshot, and kuklomenos in the background, i am honoured! =)

oooooh i want one! i want one!

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CONGRATULATIONS!!!

This news made a bad week soo much better :)

Just got to save up and send father christmas a very nice begging letter :)