@_Steve_
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comparing the cost of a SAM to an Apple system is not the most appropriate

True - best compare it instead to a previously overpriced "Amiga" that was also out of reach for most people here too...

The circumstances of the price of the SAM are not really my concern. We have spent years waiting for OS4 to get us off custom hardware and onto more affordable mass market systems. I can wait longer.

@ ChrisH

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How could Amiga Inc stop SAM's being sold? They are sold for purposes other than OS4. At worst we might have to get hold of a SAM-compatible OS4 image from "unofficial channels".

I hope you are not suggesting anything illegal.

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I'd agree with you, but then we'd both be wrong.

First of all:

Anyway, questions, questions...

I'm thinking of ordering the 533MHz board, because it's a bit cheaper. Will OS 4.1 run OK on this, or will it feel a bit sluggish? I mean for general desktop, web, word processing, buggering about, etc. I don't plan to do anything too CPU intensive on it.

Secondly, is the Catweasel Mk IV supported under OS 4.1? It would be nice to be able to copy files directly on to floppies for my 500 and 1200.

Thirdly, will UAE be able to at least emulate an A500 on this board? Just curious. No worries if it can't.

Fourthly,

EDIT: I should probably add that I've never used OS 4, so forgive my cluelessness.

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I... it's.... how....

IT'S UNBELIEVABLE !!!

It would be like being BLIND for well over a decade with no hope and then...

BAM ! A thousand bux and you're seeing computing in a whole new colorful Amiga landscape.

As soon as I _really_ know its real, COUNT ME IN !!!!

Heh... and I was going to build a Vista Ultimate box.. Poop on that!!!!

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@debrun

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COUNT ME IN !!!! Heh... and I was going to build a Vista Ultimate box.. Poop on that!!!!

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I'd agree with you, but then we'd both be wrong.

@ferrels
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Dude, you aren't Rip Van Winkle and this isn't 1986! Does anyone make a purchase today based on inflation rates from 1986? No, they compare and contrast competing products to get the best buy for their money at the time. In 1986 a lowly IBM PC cost a fortune too, but you'd have to pay someone just to dispose of it in 2008!

What world were you in back in 1986. In that era the new Amiga was more expensive that the competing Atari (which initially had more software) and the IBM Peanut (yes, IBM made a computer nicknamed Peanut) counting the cost of the monitor. The Radio Shack TRS-80 and other CPM based machines were cheaper. Yes, the MAC cost more and it still does. The Amiga didn't become a bargain until the A500 (it was viewed as a toy by many at the time) was released. I paid $2000 for my A2000 when it was first released (which was more expensive than most x86 based computers designed for the home market) and over $2500 for my A4000 when that was released. By the time the A4000 came out, you could get an x86 PC for much less. The price premium for an Amiga hasn't changed. If you want a cheap computer then buy a PC. If you like the Amiga and it's OS then you'll pay the premium. MAC users pay an even bigger premium but get more up-to-date software.

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goood news.
now pepole can buy something to run os 4.1 on..

no start hoping for higher hardware.
something like the pa.semi will be an overkill
but anyway. lets hope that sam, flex board will come next.



or longer in the futhure. something with pci-e and top fast new mem. and some bad cpu

@COBRA
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Trust me, it is much better than the uA1 in this regard. 64MB instead of 32MB makes a big difference. For example, on a uA1, when loading 6-8 Megapixel images in WarpView, it becomes dog slow because it runs out of videomem. On a Sam it remains nice and smooth. But if 64MB is not enough for you, you can buy a PCI Radeon 9250 with 128MB real cheap and be happy

If that's true then it alleviates my major concern. Like some others though, I'll be looking for some kind of bundle because I don't want to build an entire system from scratch. (I seem to have a couple of extra thumbs )

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finally!!!!!!

would be smart of AInc-dare I hope? (or Hyperion-not likely),
whatever the outcome is of their agreement,
to finance support of more serious software development for AOS4.1 at exactly this moment...

drawing new (old Amiga) users is quite important at this stage....

It would not be such a financial risk to support Amizilla and OpenOffice ports now would it?


and of course would be nice to see a port of, for ex. , the new gen Alien Breed or SpeedBall, or any other new implement of ex amiga game out there, for this new AOS4.1 platform uprise ( give those ex amigans the boards and OS, the money, and they'll do it perhaps)

would be nice also for AInc to buck in a million or two of it's selfproclamed financial backup for these kind of software projects...wouldn't it?


Amizilla, Open Office and just a handfull of new next-gen ex-amiga games would turn many past Amiga entusiast's heads (like mine) back towards this SAM Amiga platform solution, and others in future...
if not for serious work they'd buy it for nostalgic game fun for starters, and when they start using it they start loving it...again

if 1000 SAM-OS4 bundles are sold tomorrow, with this kind of SW investment planning it would be at least 2000 bundels sold the day after (me being the first)

but all that platform building planning should be AInc's job I'm affraid
and I don't hope for much from them


before you start out-smatring me on this one, , just remember how the A1 episode of Amiga history ended....
and just because there was actually no wider bussiness vision from AInc,if you ask me...


it is not enough to simply put out this kind of HW and a commercial OS and expect it to grow itself from the present userbase..at least not to some wider commercial level

peace all
great work Hyperion and ACube .

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This price is simply too high when you consider the uses for OS4.1. It has no office suite and no modern web browser. That pretty much makes it useless for doing any real work. So it's a privilege to run an OS? I thought it was merely a choice. And as I said in my earlier post, I can get a complete x86 system including an LCD monitor for $479 US (263 GBP) from Dell that will run rings around the SAM440ep.

I wouldn't be too sure about that. I have just replaced my wife's PC with a Dell Vostro 200, and the UI on my A1 is so much faster. Programs load faster, it is more reponsive, and above all easier to understand. Even my usb flash drives are mounted quicker on my A1.

OK, Image manipulation, and video apps are not as powerful/available on my A1, but I have been productively using AmigaOS to do everything I need for my business for the last 20 years. Turbocalc, Pagestream, and Wordsworth are a wicked combination, and will do anything that an office suite would do. As for a modern browser, there is a glut of modern browsers being developed/ported.

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@all

Excellent news!

I also own a guitar which I play poorly, but I enjoy doing it and no one else has to listen to me play. I play a type of music which is hard to find and sometimes I have to make my own or travel great distances to meet others who enjoy the same type. I'm a little tone deaf and I am usually out of tune with everyone else, but I am oblivious to this because I am having fun and that is all that matters.

Well done Hyperion & ACube.

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and it REALLY obeys the orders of the user ...

Like not flushing things when the user explicitly asks for them to be flushed :)

(Sorry, the irony of reading those two posts in close succession was too much to ignore).

@all

Just a thought!!!


Looking at the Sam440 spec's it has USB2.0. I can't wait for that on my A1.
I wonder what chipset is used and whether there is an available usb2.0 pci card using it?

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"There are 10 types of people in the world: those who understand binary, and those who don't."

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On 4.0 and earlier AmigaOS/MorphOS systems, you could not run out of video ram because only the active screen was in video ram.

Uh, I am quite sure that with 3.9/P96, even non-active screens were in video ram. Hence the ability too almost instantaneously switch between screens.

@umisef:

Only if video memory is sufficient to hold all screens. If it is not sufficient, bitmaps are transferred to FAST (and back, if needed). The instant switch was possible mostly because the used screens were not that big as they are today

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since Apple originally made their own hardware, and now they use mainstream x86 boards,

Apple still "makes" their own hardware (in the sense of developing their own designs and then having them contract-manufactured by companies specialising in that sort of thing). They are not using off-the-shelf components available from your corner computer store.

But of course, with Apple shipping more than 20,000 Macs per day, from a range of, uh, something like 6 different models (Mini, iMac 20, iMac 24, MacBook, MacBook Pro, Mac Pro), and each of the 600,000 or so PCs sold every day shipping with an arbitrary one of the oft-lamented diversity of motherboard models from the multitude of motherboard makers --- Apple's motherboards may actually be among the most "mainstream" ones there are :)

@whose

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Only if video memory is sufficient to hold all screens

So only the currently active screen HAD TO BE in video memory, rather than "only the currently active screen WAS in video memory".

Al cleared up.

Depends on what you read out of the quoted post. Today (actually) one can run out of video ram, which was indeed not possible in earlier times (well, at last not so easy). So to speak, in the past an actual screen was in video memory (and maybe some other screens, too). A question of correct/incorrect use of a language and times, I would say.

It´s another topic that the quoted poster seemingly doesn´t know about the internals of P96´s screen memory handling.

Don´t get too deep into irony tonight, not everybody has expertise in everything

Edit: Typos

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@Swoop
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Looking at the Sam440 spec's it has USB2.0.

Maybe I'm wrong but the specs look like the Host Interface
is USB 1.1 and the USB2 is not used.

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