Well I run Vista on a quad core 2,66 ghz w. 4 gig ram and sataII hd... and guess how fast it seems to be running..

Using Vista is like doing the dishes for the rest of you life... it sux..

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Well I don't think the problem is saying something negative... the problem is repeating it ad nauseam.

We know that Amiga hardware is more expensive than PC hardware. Well, surprising news. It has been like that for the last ten to fifteen years. Why is everybody acting now like this is something shocking?

Yes, it is. Yes, not everybody will be able to afford it. Yes, it is unfortunate. Will this change soon? No, it won't. Every new AmigaOS hardware will be more expensive than a comparable PC.

Yes, porting to X86 would be a solution. It is not going to happen any time soon because plainly, the amount of work for that is pretty staggering and out of question right now.

So, can we get over the pricing discussion already? I think everything concerning this has been said already.

Thanks.

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regarding the price: The combo (Sam440 and AOS4.1) price is still under half what I payed for a CybPPC for the A4K.

So if you ask me, the price is very reasonable..

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A1 was also more expensive than the SAM440... so the price is headed in the right direction.

...and yeah... Vista makes a very fast machine very slow... so what would you rather run?

I'm sorry for bringing this up (again)... Well, before I start I will throw in a couple of more .

Actually, I had the same thought at first, "it's way too expensive", but giving it a second thought, it's not expensive because of what it is! Sure, some people will not be able to afford it, and I'm one of them. But then again I never was able to afford a ppc-card for the 1200 either, which have not affected me particulary (I can actually be happy without OS4 too).

It's the same thing with everything, it does not have to be "special" to be expensive. A sport car for example can be very expensive and it can be very fast, but it will not perform off-road like a cheap SUV.

I'm happy for those that can afford it, and it's very nice to see that things are starting to happen !

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made a mistake buying A1 and this won't happen again.

The phrase, one man's meat is another man's poison, springs to mind.

I made the mistake of not buying an A1 and that won't happen again.

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Very good news .. i feel yourself full of motivation now :) os4/aros/linuxes already on SAM, if morphos will be ported (as i know, some kind of already ?) - it will be solution for all. Glad to see that war between Hyperion and AinC finish (?) and hope that Hyperion/Acube will have motivation to fill it up ppls by os/hardware for next years.

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Ok, but let us say the biggest issue about the price:

Yes, we all know Amiga always have been more expensive than PC, BUT also that we were getting AT LEAST the same kind of features.

In the beginning, we got way more (Amigas were ahead of their time), hey were expensive, but people pied for them.

Later, they were more or less on a pair with PC, but people still continued to pay

What ####es us is that, at the best period of history to get cheap and/or current hardware (for companies and even individuals!) even ppc:

Why we would like to pay the price of a good pc system, for a hard that is (at least) 5 years old???

Please: at least respect our right to protest and say our thinking. We think that hardware ashame us a bit of using an Amiga.

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We know that Amiga hardware is more expensive than PC hardware. Well, surprising news. It has been like that for the last ten to fifteen years. Why is everybody acting now like this is something shocking?

Well... I guess people did not look that much into details about Sam until now because well... with Linux it wasn't so interesting. But now that OS4 has been announced, it starts to be interesting. So people look more closely, and realize how expensive it is when compared with more common hardware. Guess that's why this looks shocking only now...

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Yes, it is. Yes, not everybody will be able to afford it. Yes, it is unfortunate. Will this change soon? No, it won't. Every new AmigaOS hardware will be more expensive than a comparable PC.

We all know that... So question is: why going on custom hardware since we know this is a dead end ? This will *always* be *preventing* the AmigaOS from expending itself... And I guess you know more than I do what happens to an OS without users/developers..

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Yes, porting to X86 would be a solution. It is not going to happen any time soon because plainly, the amount of work for that is pretty staggering and out of question right now.

Question is, since this is the solution, since you know this has been the only solution for *years* now, why do you stick on spending ressources on PPC ?
I guess, but feel free to correct me if I'm wrong, that the sooner work on x86 is started, the sooner it will be finished...
If you don't want to start working on it now, when do you think you'll be able to do it ? Cause I don't see the resources growing anytime soon...

Working on something you know can't be sold because the hardware is rare/expensive is really a big problem as I see it...

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Working on something you know can't be sold because the hardware is rare/expensive is really a big problem as I see it...

Then I think you see a problem when there isn´t any... SAM is obviously sold. AmigaKit will sell them, Vesalia in Germany and even Relec in Switzerland will sell them. They won´t even try if it couldn´t be sold, you see?

It is that simple: If you want to have AmigaOS-likely on PC, use AROS/UAE. It is there and some people are whining about the very tight userbase and lack of developers. Support them and don´t waste your time telling people things they know already for years or things that are simply not true.

I'm of two minds about the relative slowness of the CPU on this thing.

On the one hand, even for PPC CPUs, it's slow. Like, 2000-2002 era slow.

On the other hand, the Amiga doesn't really have much (any) apps that require serious grunt to 'em: the days of using an Amiga for pro 3d work are gone, nothing like Photoshop where you'd throw a truecolor 8192x8192 image in and stick a gaussian blur on it, nor are there any games beyond Q3 that require that much oomph, and hell, I ran Q3 (in like 640x480) on a Pentium 200, so there's nothing in the games arena that requires more.

Unfortunately this means that there can't be more: it's one thing to say "Well our baseline system is this 667 Mhz thing, but there are high end workstations we can develop on/for.", but it's something else entirely to say "Well, this 667mhz model is our high-end workstation." and not have a dev platform to build those more demanding apps on/for.

But, as Rogue and others have clearly pointed out, OS4 is a hobby app: it wasn't like someone was going to step up and plonk down the $500k required to port the Source engine or GTA4 anyway.

That aside, I wonder what this is going to do to the secondary market of A1's for sale and the tertiary market of C= Amigas with PPC cards (or the cards themselves).

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@all those who only want cheap HW and refuse to leave the discussion

What I don't get here with you people ranting around argueing it is overpriced, that only a few months or even weeks before everybody hailed the arrival of the Deneb... a USB Card.... SOLD FOR 130 EURO!!!
The same behavior for the new Flickerfixer from Jens Schönefeld.
I'm sure both are great pieces of Hardware, worth the price.

And now you are complaining about a MoBo that cost 2.5 times as those isn't worth the price?!?! (Perhapes you diddn't noticed there is USB onboard also? And you can easily attach a standard TFT or Monitor, so even no need for a FlickerFixer! Thats roughly 260 Euro so all the rest on the SAM comes for about 200 Euro + Tax! )

Last week the price for a MoBo+OS4.1 was inevitable, because there was none out there to buy!
And everybody was shouting:

"Oh, if only there were new HW I could buy, so I could use OS4.1. I would do it immediately, for sure! *buhuuhu* *sniff*"

And what can we read now?

"Well, at that Price? Even if it were a complete System, it is so underpowered, that the price is simply to high. If it came with "UnreasonableFeatureX" and "ExtremlyExpensiveBut99%unusedFeatureY" THEN I'll buy it right away"

So please stop whining. Get yourself a ice cream and enjoy living.

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What I forgot to mention:

I'm glad that I could buy a system able to run OS4.1, even if I can't afford it ATM.
But I couldn't afford a used MacMini either.

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Poster: Sneaky Date: 19-Sep-2008 10:36:35 @all those who only want cheap HW and refuse to leave the discussion What I don't get here with you people ranting around argueing it is overpriced, that only a few months or even weeks before everybody hailed the arrival of the Deneb... a USB Card.... SOLD FOR 130 EURO!!! The same behavior for the new Flickerfixer from Jens Schönefeld. I'm sure both are great pieces of Hardware, worth the price. And now you are complaining about a MoBo that cost 2.5 times as those isn't worth the price?!?! (Perhapes you diddn't noticed there is USB onboard also? And you can easily attach a standard TFT or Monitor, so even no need for a FlickerFixer! Thats roughly 260 Euro so all the rest on the SAM comes for about 200 Euro + Tax! ) Last week the price for a MoBo+OS4.1 was inevitable, because there was none out there to buy! And everybody was shouting: "Oh, if only there were new HW I could buy, so I could use OS4.1. I would do it immediately, for sure! *buhuuhu* *sniff*" And what can we read now? "Well, at that Price? Even if it were a complete System, it is so underpowered, that the price is simply to high. If it came with "UnreasonableFeatureX" and "ExtremlyExpensiveBut99%unusedFeatureY" THEN I'll buy it right away" So please stop whining. Get yourself a ice cream and enjoy living. EOF

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As an owner of a hobby car, I could have owned a new car or two, instead I own and support my Fiero hobby which has cost me far in excess of owning a new Corvette with alot more performance that comes along with that shiny new 'vette...

So move to Africa, the Nile could use your tears.

I will support this platform when I am able to. Perhaps after Christmas.
(as much as I'd like to see a Wii edition of 4.1 /wink /wink)

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Wow that's great to hear!

I have been away from AMIGA for several months now and didn't believe there would be any official Amiga Computer running AOS (I know it's not from AMIGA Inc, but who cares)

I still have my A1 XE but mainly as backup system for my email accounts. Most time I use my Macs.

But I would like to know is the Sam440ep faster than the A1XE?

Will there be new hardware from ACube? I'm looking for something very compact like the Mac mini?
My A1 is in a very big PC case.

Thx for any response.

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I'm having this funny dream. In the dream, Amiga OS4 is about to become
available for some PPC hardware that you could actually BUY and plug in
and turn on and USE. And also in the dream a bunch of folks are posting
all kindsa stuff about it: some grateful, some positive, some negative, some
assuming implications about current litigation, some playin' guitars... I seem
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discussions.

I know this is all bogus. None of you are real. There is no SAM440, no OS
4.1. Soon I will awaken, probably in my first grade classroom, wearing only
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Some cases for SAM are really small, little bigger than MacMini.

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Poster: ChrisH Date: 19-Sep-2008 9:42:27 @eniacfoa Quote: vista isnt good enuf, but calling "sam/AOS4.1 VS dual/quad core cpu vista machine" an apples to apples comparison is just ridiculous... I made it quite clear why I thought it was an apples-to-apples comparison: Vista *NEEDS* 2GHz dual-core CPU & 2GB RAM to run, and not even that well it has to be said. OS4.1 runs very happily on a much much less powerful machine. I am talking about the end-user experience (sure faster CPU helps certain apps, but for most people for most of the time a faster CPU is a waste for OS4). Now sure, I'd love if OS4 ran on a quad-core 3GHz machine, but if you're going to compare price or specs to x86 land, then OS4 can *never* win (unless they port it to x86, but that is another argument entirely). Complaining about an unchangeable problem is tantamount to trolling IMHO.

"you" are making comparisons to PC...I still don't think you can "your own" pc/win vs sam/os4 apples to apples...thats all...

rationalizing that vista actually needs a 2ghz dual core isnt exactly fair... as os4 was designed for hw from some time ago and vista is designed for the most current hw, some might even say 1 gen ahead...IMHO this cancels your 'not completely thought out' reasoning.

and saying people are trolling when they disagree with you is lame. In Australia we call this "p1ss weak".

we are here to discuss...if I dont agree with you I am not trolling...you will just have to face the fact someone on the internet thinks your wrong.

edit - my gripe about price put simply is that its a lot, incomplete and if a lower price could be achieved I believe even more boards would be sold...the more people running aos the better. at this point getting many people as possible using the platform is very important.

I am happy they are selling out, I just hope in the not too distant future, they may be able to make reductions in price. which can only be beneficial as there are many people here who cant buy it, but could if it was somewhat cheaper...

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I see your smiley, but no, that is not the case. We benefit from pros and cons. It is the bickering repetition and ungratefulness which is getting old.

I have a well supported knee and a strong firm paddle if you are volunteering.

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I'd agree with you, but then we'd both be wrong.

This case would be very nice for Sam:
https://www.cybernetman.com/pop/pop_9100_overall.cfm

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