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ChrisH said:Quote: What you basically said was that OS4 was useless, we shouldn't bother with it however cheap it was, and that we'd all be better of with Windows/Mac/etc. Which is fine, if you don't like AmigaOS The two issues do not go together. I like AmigaOS very much, but Amiga has always been about buying a complete 'package' which was better than the alternatives. When I bought an A1-XE that was what I hoped would develop, but IMHO that package, and current products don't offer an acceptable balance of design, performance and price. For reasons which have been well discussed, that balance is probably just no longer attainable. My Mac mini does provide a complete package at a reasonable price, and my next computer will be selected for the same reasons. That doesn't mean I don't like AmigaOS, but the hardware is just as important.

Look, we all know that AmigaOS (inc OS4) is missing some important apps. It's hardly a secret! So having Ferrels jump on it as being "too expensive for what it does" (paraphrased), the moment we get some hardware just smacks of trolling (or possibly extreme foolishness). It is the hardware that will *allow* the software to get written.

The hardware itself is capable of running OS4 quite well, so all we are missing is some software. If the missing apps means someone is not willing to buy an OS4 machine, then fair enough, but please don't blame it on the hardware! The hardware won't magically become cheaper, just because the software has not been written yet.

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vista isnt good enuf, but calling "sam/AOS4.1 VS dual/quad core cpu vista machine" an apples to apples comparison is just ridiculous...

I made it quite clear why I thought it was an apples-to-apples comparison: Vista *NEEDS* 2GHz dual-core CPU & 2GB RAM to run, and not even that well it has to be said. OS4.1 runs very happily on a much much less powerful machine.

I am talking about the end-user experience (sure faster CPU helps certain apps, but for most people for most of the time a faster CPU is a waste for OS4). Now sure, I'd love if OS4 ran on a quad-core 3GHz machine, but if you're going to compare price or specs to x86 land, then OS4 can *never* win (unless they port it to x86, but that is another argument entirely). Complaining about an unchangeable problem is tantamount to trolling IMHO.

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@ all


this Sam 440PPC OS4.1 bundle is quite the NEWS but...
(sorry if it sounds stupid but i'm not into HW...)




what about the FPGA Lattice HW emulation usage?

wasn't it planned and designed on Sam board with the idea of backward amiga compatibility to begin with?
like the Minimig is using it ?

and if it is...isn't it suppossed to be implemented in-house, before the end-user gets the board?
can that type of firmware be later upgraded via net or sth?

I would seriously consider becoming a Sam user, even at this price, if it would ensure me the backward A1200,A500 HW based compatibility, cause I'm no real fan of emulator using



or did I got it all wrong about the idea of FPGA capability and purpose?

Your on the right track....

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Gawwed this sux. I really want a new AMIGA and OS 4.1 but I really want expandability and this thing doesn't suit my needs but, they may not offer another AMIGA for a long time and I don't want to miss out!!!! It's horridly expensive, I can get a Dual Core, 8800 Nvidia, 2 gig of mem, 250gig hdd for $500 these days.

I may just have to bit the bullet and spend $1200?? regardless!
It is overpriced for a system, but what if there is never another AMIGA. I would just die if I missed out, but this is really not what I wanted

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Um. so your saying that because an embeded board in a NAS unit of two hard drive capacity, case etc, is £210, is the same as a mobile board used in netbooks, small laptops, e-books and such, then the SAM is to be compared against normal laptops because thats obviously what it was in noway designed to be?.

Im confused. 8(

I want to know, how much are Comparable boards.. that is, Embedded systems, for POS, NAS, VOIP, ADSL, etc, Log functioned for relative production runs cost ratio, to the SAM.. given its 2 years old, and not something thats obviously designed for use by humans? 8(

Sorry.. Im still confused.. cos your saying the PS3 is a car driver because it has enough power.


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I want something nice and simple.. quantum relativity sounds nice at this time.

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A couple of members in this thread need to stop the bickering!

The hardware is what it is!

You either want it or you don't!

Stop trying to coerce others into aligning with your own idea of perfection.

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Yehy Mox...

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WOW!!!! Hehe, now I know what I am going to do with all of this birthday money! Acube and Hyperion rock!!!!

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Fell out of my chair when I saw this news! New hardware on sale running Amiga OS4.1.. How many years has it been since we could say that?

Amazing news! Thanks to Hyperion and Acube for sticking with this for so long and delivering such an outstanding product, despite the odds and obstacles.

@Those criticizing the price

Obviously, it isn't rationale to compare an Amiga system to a Dell Core 2. If you don't get why, look up the "law of supply and demand". If you want something rare, you must pay extra for it.. Simple economics.

And don't forget, even at the relatively high price, Hyperion will likley only recoup a fraction of the costs they've invested in development. Lower prices, more volume isn't the answer either IMO.

Yes, lower prices would sell more Amigas, but for now, selling lots of Amigas is neither likely or wise at any price. Amiga needs more apps, drivers etc. Otherwise, the mainstream user buying an Amiga would just be frustrated by what's missing.

Better to get Amigas into the hands of some serious developers who can help build up the platform and fill in some of those missing pieces. Then, maybe, just maybe, a lower price and wider audience would make sense.

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People calm down!

I have just bought a 3.0 GHz dual core AMD cpu, 4GB RAM 800MHz, modular and silent PSU and 2 x 500GB 32MB Cache SATA2 Hard disks for roughly £180.

I needed it for work (and some awesome games too).

Now this doesn't mean the SAM+OS4.1 isn't in my plans.

Maybe not right away but soon.

Comparing this system to other more mainstream ones (with a backup of billions of dollars) is simply ridiculous.

So let's please give it a rest. You have got to start somewhere and I think SAM+OS4.1 is a good starting point. Some say it's good news some say the price will cut some people off. In either case that is the price. If you want to run OS4.1 this is the price you have got to pay.

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YES! YES! YES!

Thanks a lot!

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can we also have a home loan that can paid in 6 months? Instead of 30yrs?

That sounds completely off-topic to me, but seeing as you ask - yes you can. So what?

@ChrisH
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Vista *NEEDS* 2GHz dual-core CPU & 2GB RAM to run, and not even that well it has to be said.

That's hogwash. Vista will run well in less than that. I have Vista running fine on my laptop with its 1.7GHz P-M and 1.2GB of memory, you just have to give it some time for the performance profiling code to do its stuff.

On topic: nice to see some OS4 hardware available. Underspecified and overpriced it may be, but it's still better than nothing at all.

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@Benji
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Quote: Define hardware agnostic? Hardware that doesnt take 12 months to port to.

Benji, do have any *idea* the amount of work that goes into new software, honestly? Do you, yourself code? If so... do you code well enough to attempt something like this yourself?

If you want speculation, fine. Here's mine. A decision was made to utilise SAM, but... OS4.0 wasn't sufficient. How about working towards something better, like 4.1? Great! Let's go with that idea! And, so... work began on just that. And... it took the manpower AVAILABLE this long to achieve it.

Now we have PLENTY of happy chappies all over the globe beavering away on their SAM+4.1 because of just that.

Stop trying to #### on the parade. No one appreciates it, least of all the people who worked so long on the project, many who will remain unsung, (such as beta testers.) It's out, either buy it or don't, however... we all KNOW your opinion by now, you don't need to share it again. Savvy?

Consider that an official warning.

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haha! where is doomy when you need him. "only amiga..."
i can't afford it either. and i'm unsure of the court case. so i'll wait to see how things turn out. there never seem to be price drops in the amiga platform so don't count on that. i am sitting here with my os4 baseball cap on. i need an upgrade!

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@SHADES

Calm down, if you want more expandability, then soon you'll be able to get a Sam440-Flex board with 3 PCI slots which is expected to be cheaper too due to the removal of the expensive Mobility Radeon M9 chip.

Well, nice to see new hardware appearing.

I would prefer OS4 running on PSX3 or at least Mac Mini so we could have easy replacement and better performance/price ratio, but this is still good news, things are moving...

Now give us a finished "Moana" so I can buy a Mac Mini and run Os4 on it. At least Mac Minis are full computers that can be bought easily in the 2nd hand market and they are easy to replace.

A PSX3 port would be even better. SPEs could perform all the Cairo graphic operations at lighting speed and a Warp3D port that takes advantage of the SPEs wouldn't take much time (Wazp3D and Warp3D software renderers already exist)

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Sorry for the little off topic, but is there any corporative info about how well is SAM doing in the industrial market? Some industrials customers will be really useful to our comunity, they will probably not use AOS but anyway that will increase the volume of production making it a cheaper and more tested piece of hardware.