So the fee could be $100 but it would be $100 across the product range.

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So the fee could be $100 but it would be $100 across the product range

I'll offer a bad example:
The fee would be higher on a fully loaded machine than on a base level machine.
More expensive=higher fee

But again, this information may be irrelevant today.

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@zerohero This thread is about the release of the Commodore Amiga by CUSA. There is no need to bring Hyperion or Aros into this thread, please stay on topic.

Did you start reading in the middle of this thread? zerohero is responsible for trying to keep this thread on topic. As a matter of fact I'd consider your post as being off topic. As is my response to it.

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If you wish to purchase the product then that is up to you but please do not try suppress other people's opinions.

Honestly now! About 95% of the members posting here are expressing a negative opinion. Don't blame zerohero. I don't think he has any plans on lining up at the door to get one. Of course, I could be wrong.
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I'd agree with you, but then we'd both be wrong.

i think nameless here made the most sensible comments about this affair. i dont see anything worth to add or to quarrel about. going to skip it and continue with business as usual now.

If they are going to pre-install Linux, which puts them in the geek market anyway, then they might as well sell it with AROS. At least then it would have a point.

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Poster: zerohero Date: 21-Mar-2012 21:40:26 @people in general How come this behavior is accepted against Commodore USA but not against Hyperion? Not mentioning AROS or MorphOS here, because they're not companies...

Excellent point and I have wondered the same thing myself.

I don't like what CUSA tries to sell. I don't like some of the comments that one or two people connected with the company have made at some time in the past. But I also don't like many more comments made against CUSA by some members of the Amiga community. In fact, some of the extremely emotional attacks against CUSA have made me embarrassed because these people who are part of the same Amiga community that I belong to, are making such bad choices when they post in threads about CUSA.

They just develop a form of temporary insanity, because they are very sane the rest of the time.

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Are you saying you're not responsible for your own posts? That's what it sounds like to me.

Surely I am responsible for the posts, but to illustrate the behavior and consequences, I deserved my restriction time and thinking over, while for "corporate behavior" of faking production, OS invention, hardware development, Commodore history, website infos, products images, names, quantities etc. CUSA should really be in prison if US wasn`t way too liberal. Not to speak of the fanboy behave.

Overall its heavy and emotional provocation that makes sane people go childish because that is not the way serious business is done.

Never would equalize their baddest "business" policy with someone elses opinion.

If we ever fear we will have fake and exploiting company that emulates serious bussiness, this company has convinced me to be "most discreet and loud talking"

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Honestly now! About 95% of the members posting here are expressing a negative opinion. Don't blame zerohero. I don't think he has any plans on lining up at the door to get one. Of course, I could be wrong.

Well it should be 100%

How this qualify as Amiga news at all and do we plan to support any further Amiga Inc licences of similar "quality" (iContain was example, would their product lines qualify as Amiga news also)?

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>>I have edited this thread quite heavily, and I expect everyone of you will behave as adults from now on. Sincere criticism is OK, being childish and rude is not.

Define childish and rude please...

You will have to lock this thread I am afraid as after you posted your message many others have been added which might be considered "childish and rude"...oh and you missed a couple in the previous pages.

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>>Honestly now! About 95% of the members posting here are expressing a negative opinion.

95% of the members can't be wrong...

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Poster: TheDaddy Date: 22-Mar-2012 7:01:58 @Moxee >>Honestly now! About 95% of the members posting here are expressing a negative opinion. 95% of the members can't be wrong...

Oh yes they can as it only needs one to make the rest follow.


We are all one way or another emotionally attached to Amiga or clones.
CUSA made some very bad decisions in the past and these things stick stronger than superglue with fanatics and zealots .

We all know how this news item was used as flamebait and we fell for it due to the first few comments made the ball roll and now CUSA got even more google hits to their news due to heavy activity on this forum.

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So you are saying that 95% of the amigaworld.net user base are wrong?

Wrong because they express a negative opinion about something?

It doesn't mean they are wrong, they just have a different opinion, in this case a negative one.

Regarding the free hits they are getting thanks to this site...ask the admins why it went news item and on the main page first...

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How come this behavior is accepted against Commodore USA but not against Hyperion?

Exactly my thoughts. I am not interested in Commodore USA products but I dont understand why some users are constantly spamming this forum.

I wish good luck to Commodore USA and success to their Amiga projects.

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How this qualify as Amiga news at all and do we plan to support any further Amiga Inc licences of similar "quality" (iContain was example, would their product lines qualify as Amiga news also)?

I do not plan to support Commodore USA Amiga projects but they are legitimate Amiga licensee and official Amiga product so I consider this news item fits here perfectly. You dont have to like Commodore USA. Not every Amiga user love Hyperion Entertainment, AROS, MorphOS, ..., but dont spam forum on every occasion.

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>>How come this behavior is accepted against Commodore USA but not against Hyperion?


Because that is not correct.

Hyperion gets the same reaction from the remaining 5-10% of amigaworld members so much so that they (Hyperion) don't post here any more.

They tried when we were discussing Timberwolf a few weeks back, got flamed and left not to post again or at least for a long time.

Wishing good luck to CUSA and their "Amiga" projects (nothing Amiga but the rented name) is very strange indeed.

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Because that is not correct. Hyperion gets the same reaction from the remaining 5-10% of amigaworld members so much so that they (Hyperion) don't post here any more.

Commodore USA have nothing to do with this. Don't blame them. They are innocent.

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Wishing good luck to CUSA and their "Amiga" projects (nothing Amiga but the rented name) is very strange indeed.

Arent we Amigans always when someone asks "why are you still using Amiga in 2012" ?

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then they might as well sell it with AROS. At least then it would have a point.

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... Amithlon...

I believe Hyperion would have something to say about that. The terms of the settlement agreement prevent Amiga Inc (or licensees of Amiga Inc using the 'relevant trademarks') from releasing/promoting an OS with 'substantially similar architecture'. (Of course, they could just license the name Commodore, release a 'Commodore zxA1000' with AROS and forget about the 'Amiga' name licensing. )

But it's a business, and such a strategy (using AROS/Amithlon) would a) reduce the functionality of the hardware; b) increase project risks in terms of hardware support vs using a Linux distro c) increase time-to-market for any new harddware/hardware changes; and d) be less marketable to 'teh masses1!'.

Just licensing the name and being an OEM for generic hardware and OS is a good business model* for a small startup with limited resources. Attempting to manage development of the OS and develop custom hardware is not.

(* Good business model in this sense means 'likely to yield a high ROI over the short/medium term with little financial risk'.)

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I do not plan to support Commodore USA Amiga projects but they are legitimate Amiga licensee and official Amiga product so I consider this news item fits here perfectly. You dont have to like Commodore USA. Not every Amiga user love Hyperion Entertainment, AROS, MorphOS, ..., but dont spam forum on every occasion.

Nice, I didn't know Itix was my PA but I enjoy this statement he wrote for me.

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However, I quite fancy the idea of buying a Barebones version of this and putting in my own motherboard and installing Aros in its latest incarnation.

In fact that is the best thing that is coming out of this, forget the over priced system option, even if the barebones is expensive it is still only about £250 for a case and Blue Ray drive. If the case has been professionally etched, not sure what the term is, with the logo and not a sticker then I for one would pay for it because it is a nice looking case, suits my taste that is.

My understanding is that Hyperion can do nothing and should not be able too if I buy it and install Aros on my motherboard

Plus it would make a very nice new Amiga with my favourite OS and Commodore's own funky but fun Linux package on dual boot.

Is that the first positive comment

I feel a video coming on.

Edit, its actually only £217, like it even more now as an Aros box.

All they need is some stylish wireless keyboard and mouse with Amiga keys and great Aros machine.

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