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Internet News   Internet News : Commodore Amiga Mini Pre Order Has Begun
   posted by damocles on 21-Mar-2012 4:52:07 (36560 reads)
After 20 years since the last Commodore Amiga was released, the first new Commodore Amiga will be released by mid May, and this time in a Mini case. It comes with two options, barebones and fully loaded with i7 2600K [3.5GHz Quadcore] + nVidia 430 (with it's own discreet 1GB of RAM).

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Re: Commodore Amiga Mini Pre Order Has Begun
Posted on 22-Mar-2012 18:13:56
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Odd they would announce lower prices for minis so quickly. Unless the reaction they received was much more negative than they expected (seems to be the case).

One thing I noticed when they made the initial announcement on their site was, a lack of gushing praise. There weren't tons of posts saying how they must get this thing right away, what a good deal, etc. I also noticed a lack of negative threads too. I later found out they simply were deleting negative threads/comments, which probably explains the latter. Perhaps they got so many negatives, they decided to announce some price changes for cheaper models.

If sales are below what they expect, they will simply lower the price. Logical and makes sense. They have so much profit per machine, they have a ton of leeway. They could knock off $500 and still do well.

The thing that I think will hurt them is the fact they aren't a reputable or experienced PC maker yet. If I plan to spend $2000+ on a machine, I sure want support for it -- even if it's just overseas support (and takes 2 hours of wait time on a phone). Say what you will about HP, Dell, Acer and such companies with so-so support... at least it exists, and they have experience with making hardware. Dell should be here next year. CUSA is like that little computer shop on the corner that makes their own PCs for customers. Perhaps they'll do a good job, but you don't know how long they'll be there, nor if they are reputable.

And although I understand why some people here feel a need to bash them for not using an Amiga OS, or having any connection to the original Commodore, or anything related to the Amiga besides a name, that's not how I look at them. I look at them as simply a PC maker. Problem is, when you do that, you get compared to other PC makers. And their prices for what they are offering are incredibly terrible in comparison.

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Of course it is. Commodore did finance all the good and bad developments, stop trying to spin it.



Pretty sure this predates C='s involvement :P

http://www.amigahistory.co.uk/joyboard.html


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Pretty sure this predates C='s involvement :P


You might as well read Amiga and PPC history

Surely, none of it is based on CBM since it died once for ever,
but Escom and Amiga Inc as it continuation did had a lot to do with it.

CBM PC was a real failure since it ceased to exist in 1993 while Commodore was doing good, and never went beyond 386.

Negating Amiga History to boost sales and pretend being Commodore is sad, so sad ...

Its even more sad people who claim to be Amigans fake its history to prove non existing lineage of CUSA and CBM. Similar is with faking new OS without any contribution to its base. A bit of insult to Linux.

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Problem is, when you do that, you get compared to other PC makers. And their prices for what they are offering are incredibly terrible in comparison.


But let alone these emotions, Nameless sums it nice, as PC OEM rebrander, they are most expensive of all brands I know. So expensive you can get complete higher spec system with monitor, wireless keyboard and mouse,Windows 7 Ultimate and Linux preinstalled, Amiga Forever ... or same specs system and nice laptop too.

And that is not so sad, as might be their own doom, called "greed"

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You might as well read Amiga and PPC history



And what does that have to do with the price of tea in China? I'm not the one who said

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Of course it is. Commodore did finance all the good and bad developments, stop trying to spin it.


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The worst part is that damocles is laughing his arrse off right now, because of the bithcing and infighting going on here.

At least we can see which camp zerohero have an agenda towards, and he is a moderator on a site which was supposed to be AmigaOS4 centric.

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I will remember this thread when the AmigaOS 4.x crowd says they do not troll in other camps threads. Yes, that I will.


Good for you. That must really strengthen your arguments next time. Yeah because it's only the OS4 crowd who don't like CUSA, and acts like small children all the time....right.

"see I told you they can't behave properly and is trolls all of them"
Yeah when confronted with a company whose products actually is hurting the REAL AmigaOS initative, then damn right we get angry.

You Zerohero is anti OS4 freak, and I look forward to the day when your not a moderator here anymore.

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Why bother, it's only a website...

Great attitude from a moderator on Amigaworld.net

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Re: Commodore Amiga Mini Pre Order Has Begun
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And what does that have to do with the price of tea in China?


Nothing, I believe it has everything to do with furniture made in China, sold in US, used to finance LCC pretending to be something it isn`t for high profit margin. And LCC is just great, because investors and CEO bare no personal responsibility if it goes out of business.

Lets see who will live longer with such "sane" business models - a small and niche expensive OS and its community or greedy OEM re-brander with laser engraver innovation. By rules of global capitalism, no emotions.

Also, I note fewer positive comments here and on CUSA "Amiga".org (but even less traffic there then here) and none on any outside PC news items. Everyone is astonished by price/performance ratio and we are weeks away from availability, just using announcements and photoshoped images, in pre-order phase.

Almost all CUSA products share heavy overpricing, "cheaper" model might not solve that too, and yet CUSA 1000x should even be more expensive.

"Money Ah Dem God" is description of too greedy company, rest is cosmetics.

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@Hondo

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You Zerohero is anti OS4 freak, and I look forward to the day when your not a moderator here anymore.


So bringing Dopus, Amiftp, the compilers, etc. to Amiga was all just part of his sinnister master plan?

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So bringing Dopus, Amiftp, the compilers, etc. to Amiga was all just part of his sinnister master plan?


Way too harsh to say Zero Hero should be gone,
but again, its difficult to defend CUSA when fanboys individuals are quite aggressive and ignorant to any arguments but their propaganda and as company they are criticism ignorant, way "too noisy" to the real products they did (just one case) and greedy.

Same Amiga Mini is 1995$ a 500$ price drop for a few days of criticism. If we continue like that, it might get to its real worth, estimated approx. 1300$

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@eliyahu

I must admit I never saw the page yesterday, but going by the amount I see posted in this thread, then the price has changed.

http://www.commodoreusa.net/CUSA_AMIGAmini.aspx

1/2 a grand drop? Do I read that correctly?

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@number6

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So bringing Dopus, Amiftp, the compilers, etc. to Amiga was all just part of his sinnister master plan?


Don't bring such stuff into this. This is about his role as an amigaworld.net moderator, not about his programs.


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1/2 a grand drop? Do I read that correctly?


Well if it was 2500$ then its 20% drop, but Spammy should love us,
we just saved him 500$. A little bit more and he might get an Amiga system e.g.
Natami with two Kempstons, case, expanded RAM, ARM ... And almost an SAM 440 or well enough for MacMini and MOS licence.

Off course, no high nose, its a joke, but they still make nice profit if without COS (Amiga Forever), Amiga Inc licence and engraving its $1300 hardware and they sell it for $2000.

But some more pressure all over the PC world and no pre orders,
and they might get realistic and less greedy

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There were no lies or mis-information in this news item, as far as I know.


A first new Amiga in 20 years is controversial, infactual and mis-information.

Even if we would stretch universe to have CUSA and CBM equal last CBM Amiga CD32 appeared Sept 1993 and was produced until April 1994

That alone deserves news off and is flamming and insulting

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Makes one wonder if these are the introductory offers that were supposed to be posted in the first place.


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The facts are that Zero Hero first mentioned the Amiga OS 4 in this thread.

Zero hero is completely mistaken about what we Amiga OS 4 fans think about Commodore USA.

We Amiga OS 4 fans love Commodore U.S.

Commodore USA is doing everything to disgust the idea of ​​Amiga x86.

They really try to do the best they can.

We love them.

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Atari seems to be treating this with a sense of humor, something we've lost long, long ago:

lmao, "The Amiga Mini bears no relation to the Amiga home computers of the 1980s -- which were weak imitations of the infinitely superior Atari home computers (discloser: Atari rules! Amiga is lame! etc etc)."


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I am asking our userbase why this behavior is accepted towards Commodore USA and not against Hyperion.

Hmm, AW did kick them off the front page for a reason...


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Commodore USA is doing everything to disgust the idea of ​​Amiga x86.


And add Amiga Inc surviving on licencing such reliable and sustainable companies too ...

Or many promised but never made outside Photoshop designs
http://www.commodoreusa.net/CUSA_FutureModels.aspx
(including no real pics of working "Amiga" minis and "VIC" minis when placing them on pre sale at 2500$ tag)

Or 2010 founded company claiming to be long dead Commodore
http://www.commodoreusa.net/CUSA_ClassicModels.aspx
http://www.commodoreusa.net/CUSA_AboutCommodore.aspx

Or having such claims still on website
Quote:
We will also be re-releasing a modernized Commodore AMIGA 500 all-in-one keyboard computer, a Commodore AMIGA notebook
(About page)

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n response to an overwhelming demand from Amiga users worldwide, Commodore USA’s CTO Leo Nigro announced today that their new Amiga branded computers will be fully AROS compatible, and that they will be supporting the AROS open source community in every way possible. Mr. Nigro states “With the monumental strides that AROS has recently achieved, we realize the importance of accelerating this progress with funding that will enable this project to rapidly move forward and take it’s rightful place at the forefront of desktop operating systems
(news page)

While in fact both is cancelled (a500 case and AROS support).

Or company that has rights to Amiga name thanks to Amiga Inc attacking Terron board as Hyperion choice, while it was Amiga Incs choice and at time Hyperion couldn`t influence that choice in any way but being paid to port to it as subcontractor ... (faking facts)

Or remember it was not only eating AmigaOS for breakfast, it was beating HP and Apple very soon, as well as having COS V as beginning of new OS with 0 lines of code written so far.

Or millions on advertising ready while we get childish You Tube videos and badly Photoshoped images?

Could go back to their first days with a tons of such "hot air" promises.

A lot of insanity in one LCC and following cult, seems more then ever before but less Amiga development oriented then ever.

Sad thing is that such company might fail but might bring Amiga name to bad light
as it never was before.

Other less alternate future is if they sell gazillions of overpriced hardware and really invest if x86 port of AmigaOS buying Hyperion, MorphOS, AROS in the process ...

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Oh yes, now options scalable starting at $1499

Another $500 saved

Surely, for 500$ less you get i3-2130 3.4Ghz instead of i5
and 4GB RAM only.

Is this overpriced or not?

and they claimed to return $500 to everyone

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FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE COMMODORE USA MAKES IT RIGHT; LOWERS PRICES IMMEDIATELY AFTER MASSIVE CONSUMER OUTCRY. FORT LAUDERDALE, FL. March 22, 2012 – Commodore USA, LLC announced today the revision of the introductory price of its latest offering, the AMIGA mini, as well as the addition of configuration options, allowing for the selection of both CPU and memory. Due to an overwhelming outpouring of customer comments, along with those posted on the major tech blogs, the company has listened to the thousands of requests for both lower prices and more choices, and responded today with prices and options that most respondents indicated was in line with other current offerings. CEO Barry Altman states “Although we were ecstatic over the enormous traffic and positive interest generated by our recent product launch, we were equally dismayed and disheartened by the negativity regarding our initial pricing. In retrospect, we agree, and sincerely acknowledge our mistake, and hope you will take a second look at our new options and pricing. For all those customers who purchased the new AMIGA mini since yesterday’s launch, we have already reimbursed their credit card account reflecting the price difference. We would also like to thank all our supporters for their patience, as we attempt to revive the legendary Commodore and AMIGA brands”.

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@number6

indeed. it certainly appears so; for the same original configuration, the price has gone from $2495 to $1995 -- which is still doubly expensive versus a user building it themselves given the specifications, but it is certainly a step in the right direction.

glad to see they acknowledged their mistake. sort of.

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I am asking our userbase why this behavior is accepted towards Commodore USA and not against Hyperion.


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Hmm, AW did kick them off the front page for a reason...


Maybe I've missed something but was there a vote which allowed them on the front page again? If not I think the general consensus of our members wishes here should be respected.

This company and spokespeople have behaved abhorrently, rubbing this community up the wrong way from day one, and now we're been asked what's the difference between them and Hyperion?! Oh please!!

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The facts are that Zero Hero first mentioned the Amiga OS 4 in this thread



Not true it was mentioned by others before zerohero had even posted in this thread. Those posts were removed because they were off topic.


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