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Internet News   Internet News : Commodore Amiga Mini Pre Order Has Begun
   posted by damocles on 21-Mar-2012 4:52:07 (36563 reads)
After 20 years since the last Commodore Amiga was released, the first new Commodore Amiga will be released by mid May, and this time in a Mini case. It comes with two options, barebones and fully loaded with i7 2600K [3.5GHz Quadcore] + nVidia 430 (with it's own discreet 1GB of RAM).

Full details can be found at CommodoreUSA.
    

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TheDaddy 
Re: Commodore Amiga Mini Pre Order Has Begun
Posted on 22-Mar-2012 9:23:34
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@itix

>>Commodore USA have nothing to do with this. Don't blame them. They are innocent.


Hyperion have nothing to do with this, don't blame them. Nobody started talking about Hyperion in this thread until zerohero brought them in...

>>Arent we Amigans always when someone asks "why are you still using Amiga in 2012" ?

I am not sure I understand what you mean...


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I read that thread too. They were (in my view) overreacting. There were no personal insults there just questions and doubts and they had the chance to react in a few fact-based sentences. Instead they reacted very very (negative) emotionally and instead proofing that the critics are all wrong they created new doubts. So at least some of the OS4 fans see all through their special glasses but life is mostly not only white or black it is gray.

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Poster: BillE Date: 21-Mar-2012 20:47:48

-- off-topic removed --


No it wasn't !


What you should do is delete the entire thread and stop this scam company using AWN to advertise their fake products !

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Posted on 22-Mar-2012 10:37:18
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> I am asking why the amiga-community's behavior is accepted towards them but not the
> other way around?

Because their products are NOT Amigas, they never will be. They are just misusing the "Amiga" name to confuse people.

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Posted on 22-Mar-2012 10:58:17
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@BillE

I agree that this computer is not an Amiga. It is, as others have written, a PC running Linux Mint with various extras. The only thing related to the Amiga about it is the engraving on the front of the case.

CUSA proclaims that the Amiga is back after 20 years, which is clearly wrong. I know that they write "Commodore Amiga", but most people will instantly think of the Amiga in general when reading about it. Not fun for those who have worked hard for years and years to keep the Amiga alive...... :( As BillE wrote, it will confuse folks.

At least with the C64X, CUSA designed the case. With this computer, they've stuffed readily available hardware into a generic case, engraved an Amiga logo and that is it. Voila, we've got an "Amiga". :(

Frankly, I think this whole thing sucks!

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@PG

Quote:

CUSA proclaims that the Amiga is back after 20 years, which is clearly wrong.


It is indeed wrong. Amiga has been back since year 2000:
http://www.metafilter.com/3878/THE-AMIGA-IS-BACK

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At least with the C64X, CUSA designed the case. With this computer, they've stuffed readily available hardware into a generic case, engraved an Amiga logo and that is it. Voila, we've got an "Amiga". :(


Just exactly what Hyperion, MorphOS or AROS do. Except that none of them are using an Amiga logo.

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Posted on 22-Mar-2012 11:16:59
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@itix

You surprise me...really, and looking at your avatar it makes me even more so as I have the greatest respect and admiration for him.

Hyperion don't stuff anything, same for the others. There are hard working coders behind OS4, AROS and MOS.

I assemble pcs every month and sell them, does that make me Commodore?

I have no idea about programming a computer or writing an OS, Hyperion, MOS and AROS people do. Do CUSA?

Also...what is with the Commodore Amiga 1000X?

Honestly? First there was the Workbench 5.0 now the Amiga 1000X...anyone noticing a pattern?

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i must admit i hate all these "x"es all around the scene. "x" doesnt compute withh the genuine amiga naming convention in no way..

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Posted on 22-Mar-2012 11:58:54
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If a PC with Amiga branding is your thing then I guess this will interest you, but I just wish the people behind it where more deserving of the Amiga brand and acted more professionally and gave more respect to the other Amiga alternative options out there. I find it a shame that they did'nt go though with making the Amiga Fanatsy case I guess the cost of the C64x put them off it. This is the bit I'd normally say good luck to them, but in this case and the way this company has acted, I wish them bad luck.

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I am going to save moderators some time:

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thanks,

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This excites me not at all.



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Not sure what I said in one of my posts in this thread to be deemed worthy of being censored yesterday to be honest. It really doesn't matter though, much like this news from CUSA, and tomorrow is another day.

For some companies, they often think any publicity is good publicity.

Let's face it - the "Amiga Mini" is nothing exciting at all, is not a real Amiga, is overpriced, and they know how people on this Amiga website forum would react to it from previous announcements here.

I believe we are all passionate about the Amiga platform and really want to see exciting new Amiga hardware and software projects, hence the strong reactions from people here in the retro rebadged PC products coming out from CUSA.

We care about Amiga and want it to continue being a good product well into the future...

It seems most people have said their piece now and it is clear our opinions about the "Amiga Mini" - I think most facts, costs and opinion angles have been covered now. If no one buys it, it will go away soon enough...

Any more comments I think is just more opinions for the sake of slamming CUSA. Let's move on to other things now and not give them any free publicity.

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Holy cow, crazy, crazy price for such an underwhelming machine. The CPU isnt bad, but theyre only $300 normally. GT430 is an odd choice. Barely more powerful that intelHD graphics, so why even bother? It adds pretty much nothing but price, and a little extra heat. Also an odd choice for something being labelled as "amiga" given the amigas reputation for graphics.

Do thse guys realise you simply cant make %400 profit on computers anymore? They should probably also consider getting someone who knows hardware to make up thier systems. Pretty much every single thing theyve done so far reeks of them having no idea.

retail price for hardware involved:

cpu: $300
gt430: $40
case: lets be leniant and say $100
storage: again, lets be leniant and say $100
optical device? (I see no mention of it, but between $75 and 125 for blur ray burner)
16gig ddr3: about $120, but seeing as they neglected to mention the speed I assume its dodgey ddr3-1333 (which is both cheaper and often slower than decent ddr2)

Total: err,.... well to me that adds up to between $700-800. Seems C-USA's calculators are as dodgey as thier products :)

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---offtopic removed---, but

@zerohero

Are you for real comparing companies who do nothing, and only assembling of parts, with any of the teams who works on any OS (aros or os4 or mos, not so matter). I mean we all know who and what to do, and we all also known what all that commodore usa do. What you expect when you approve that news item ? Its cleary understanable, when you post something, what users dislike, there is no point to post it.

I mean, sure, official amiga, commodore , blabla, but you for sure know that those 95% of users who visit aw.net, are not in interest in that cusa stuff. So then questions is: why the reassons to protect company, which prove (many, many times) that they are fool everyone all the time, by fake images, faked sites, copy+pasting from different places, trying to copy nams (workbench, x1000, etc).

Its all not about why someone hate one company, and don't hate another. Its about that ppls dislike when thei fooled by anyone, and then, moderators protect it and tryint to put on the level of the other teams, who actually do for years something (and i am not about hyperion, i am about any of our teams).

Who will help and protect someone, who prove that he is do bad stuff and reacts bad ? Only because they buy a licence to call it amiga ? Why iconatain never post any crap here ? (i know why, that just ritorical)

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@thread

Atari seems to be treating this with a sense of humor, something we've lost long, long ago:

Amiga Mini high-end PC wants to relive Commodore glory days

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@kas1e

I have got to agree with you...damn!


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@kas1e

I am doing nothing of the sort. I am asking our userbase why this behavior is accepted towards Commodore USA and not against Hyperion. Big difference, I am not talking about Commodore USA at all.

That said, I will remember this thread when the AmigaOS 4.x crowd says they do not troll in other camps threads. Yes, that I will.

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I am asking our userbase why this behavior is accepted towards Commodore USA and not against Hyperion.


Because its different. Hyperion with all their problems do something, working on the os, trying to do something in which half of visitors of this site in interest. And CUSA do nothing , they only tryint to fool everyone. And they just do bad and very bad stuff: rob the images which copyrighted for their sites, calling names, misunderstood the users by that "x1000" and "workbench5" words.

As you know, i am very critical to anything, and tryes to be objective. And so, CUSA , objetive, its something which normal ppls dislike, because of all the reassons which ---oftopic removed ----.

When you saying "trolls in other camps", camps mean os3/os4/mos/aros. But CUSA is not other camps, its something tottally not for intrest of many visitors here.

To add, i think is not only os4 users now trash that thread. But any users, who even do not have any amiga at all.

But sure, that all not so important, as that will soon off from front page. Just a bit sad its now here, because visitors of aw.net mostly do not want it at all (and not only os4 users). But that all of course how mods of aw.net see it.


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I do not really understand what you mean (perhaps my english). What behavior do you mean? As far as I know the CUSA threads were removed from first pages by moderators because they were not really amiga-related. And the news item of a "new amiga" that is not really amiga is on first page. Or what do you mean exactly?

All existing amiga-fans are not very happy about the use of the trademark for this product, CUSA has done nothing for the community, their product has nothing to do with amiga.

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