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Internet News   Internet News : Commodore Amiga Mini Pre Order Has Begun
   posted by damocles on 21-Mar-2012 4:52:07 (36586 reads)
After 20 years since the last Commodore Amiga was released, the first new Commodore Amiga will be released by mid May, and this time in a Mini case. It comes with two options, barebones and fully loaded with i7 2600K [3.5GHz Quadcore] + nVidia 430 (with it's own discreet 1GB of RAM).

Full details can be found at CommodoreUSA.
    

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linnar 
Re: Commodore Amiga Mini Pre Order Has Begun
Posted on 23-Mar-2012 22:36:39
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Has anyone ever mapped out the path into the future of the phenomenon of the Amiga?

We must ask: What is viable now and in the future?
Is PPC the future? Is x86 the future? Anything else?

What do we do now?
We know that PPC is in decline in home computers. We also know that PPC is used as a processor for electronic control of various appliances and more.
We know that no currently manufactured PPC processor used in any home computer.
We know that when no one is using PPC in home computers will stop the development of peripheral devices. Drivers stop under development and so on.
We also know that x86 is the processor that completely dominate the home computer market and server market.

From what we have listed, we can see a future for PPC?
Can we see a future for x86?

Honestly, if you want to build a computer for the future and must begin to sell it now and need to know that you have sold many of them, which processor would you choose?

Of course, everyone would choose the secured card x86, everything else is suicide! Right?

A man in Florida wants to make a reality of an old dream, Build and sell computers!
But it should not be any computer that completely, it shall be a Commodore, and preferably with the name Amiga.

After the name Commodore licensed immediately began the arduous job of developing a retro C64. It is important to begin with something that highlighted the Commodore on the big stage. Thus would the new Commodore show what they want.
In C64, they chose it as the smartest, most powerful and expensive today, x86. Anything else is unthinkable for a company that recently opened the door. Maybe they chose the same manner as above?

At the same time they wanted to use an os that is reminiscent of glory days. They examined all os and opportunities. After careful consideration, they decided that the best thing of all is a freely developed os with a lot of ideas. In this way, they look os on the market soon. A new start businesses can not afford to wait 10 years for the os will be clear only to find that there are drivers for almost anything.

At the same time the possibility of licensing the name Amiga. Right away it was planned for a return of the first mass-produced Amiga since 1994.
How can this small company to compete with the giants?
Well, by building computers with very stylish looks and high performance.
How would you do? Be better than the other or disappear, right?

Several drafts were developed a few were chosen to pursue. The first Amiga, which saw the light, the name Amiga Mini. It is no coincidence that it is small and compact. It is a well-calculated idea.















It's a fake?
Look here:
http://www.commodoreusa.net/j/AMIGAminiBack.jpg

The Commodore AMIGA mini comes with:
- A massive 16 Gigs of the DD3 memory.
- Integrated nVidia GeForce GT 430 Graphics with 1 Gig of DD3 memory.
- The probability to drive three monitors displays.
- HDMI, 2-Dual DVI and DisplayPort outputs. (Includes VGA adapter)
- 7.1 channel high definition sound.
- 6 Gb / s SATA for incredibly solid HD reads.
- 4 USB 3.0 and 4 USB 2.0 ports for exceptional external data access.
- A slot loading Blu-ray Drive That can also write DVDs.
- 2 WiFi antennae for outstanding signal reception.
- A 1 TB Hard Disk to store video and personal data.
- Optional 300 or 600 GB SSD drive for lightning quick load times.
- The price starts from $ 1495

Look closely above, it is a historical event, it is a new Amiga after 18 years!
OK, many do not think it is a "real" Amiga, ie an Amiga as the old 500, 1200 etc.. No, it's true and need not be discussed, there is no such Amiga, it's an Amiga for the future.

How did Commodore selections from C64x to Amiga Mini?
Well, the meeting was overwhelming. Never before have so many computer magazines around the world have written so much about such a small company that Commodore!
Victory party moved on, eventually they came to the Amiga Community, where they were praised more than anywhere else they've been waiting for something like this for decades ....
What, no? Why? Something strange happened, or maybe it was not surprising because the Amiga Community was stuck in its own history and sits there still. They even specify countermeasures against the company that comes with an outstretched hand.

Why?
Why so terribly harsh words?
It's just a PC, right?

Addition, I am sure that if Commodore survived until today they had chosen the x86 and Linux as well. It's me cross-sure! I'm dead certain because they had no other choice, just like Apple.

I do not know if this will be good but I know that they have chosen the right path!

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Re: Commodore Amiga Mini Pre Order Has Begun
Posted on 23-Mar-2012 23:05:39
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@linnar

I don't visit this site enough to know if you are a regular poster, troll, or work for CUSA... but your post was, umm... well, a different view upon things, I guess, to state it kindly.

As for chipsets, that's been discussed to death already. If going for commercial, mass produced PCs, x86 or ARM would be the two choices I'd go with. And yes, ARM is also a valid option, so it didn't have to be x86.

Those who state this is the way forward for the Amiga name would have a valid point, if it had any connection at all to the original Amiga. Their operating system has nothing at all to do with an Amiga or Commodore. It's Linux Mint. They can call it COS, they can call it whatever they want, but it's still Linux Mint. In fact, it even still says 'Linux Mint' during the boot process.

If you look at Apple and how they moved on to other chipsets, you will quickly notice some differences. They had built-in compatibility via an emulator (until Lion came out, anyway), and their OS has a similar style and function as their earlier versions of Mac OS. CUSA is just taking an existing Linux, and saying it's 'Commodore OS'... with a new wallpaper/themes. There is a big difference.

I do like the specs for the bluray drive you listed though --

Quote:
- A slot loading Blu-ray Drive That cancer Also write DVDs.


I like drives that can write DVDs with extra cancer added.

And in reply to a poster earlier, a Jeri Ellsworth inspired 'Amiga on a chip' is what CUSA or any company with the name, should have made. That's what I most wanted to see. There is this mistaken idea that the new Amiga needs to be a modern PC. It doesn't need to be. Look at how much interest there is in the Raspberry Pi, for instance. There were tons of ways CUSA could have went here. They just chose a way that has nothing at all to do with the original Commodore or hardware/software.

Here is an article that pretty much sums things up:

http://techland.time.com/2012/03/22/theres-a-new-amiga-and-im-a-trifle-melancholy-about-it/

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I do not know if this will be good but I know that they have chosen the right path!


In that case, just stick an Amiga sticker on your HP, Dell, Acer or whatever you have lying around in your house.

This isn't a case of going x86. It is a case of taking a Linux PC and calling it an Amiga. It isn't an Amiga. Buy your argument the C64x is an Amiga because it is exactly the same thing without the "Amiga" badge.


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Posted on 23-Mar-2012 23:15:02
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After the name Commodore licensed immediately began the arduous job of developing a retro C64. It is important to begin with something that highlighted the Commodore on the big stage. Thus would the new Commodore show what they want. In C64, they chose it as the smartest, most powerful and expensive today, x86. Anything else is unthinkable for a company that recently opened the door. Maybe they chose the same manner as above?


That sounds pretty much like what Commodore Gaming aimed to do... Then they went bust because no one wanted to spend money on an expensive and underpowered computer.

Quote:
Never before have so many computer magazines around the world have written so much about such a small company that Commodore!


If you look at the news thats been curculating then you will see a good 50-60% is recirclauted from the other major news sites. When you strip away the recirculated stuff you find it's a pretty mixed bag with many not interested in it.

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Posted on 23-Mar-2012 23:22:44
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@Nameless

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And in reply to a poster earlier, a Jeri Ellsworth inspired 'Amiga on a chip' is what CUSA or any company with the name, should have made. That's what I most wanted to see.


It also seemed to fit with the effort that was put into the C64 case. The press coverage was massive and the connection to retro was established.
Adding the Amiga in a joystick to me would have been an additional good fit for them.
Another plus imo would have been that instant connection to something "amiga" that they said they were looking for. History regarding their acceptance level on Commodore and Amiga sites might have turned out quite differently as a result.

*shrug*

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Re: Commodore Amiga Mini Pre Order Has Begun
Posted on 24-Mar-2012 0:08:41
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Look closely above, it is a historical event, it is a new Amiga after 18 years!


Its not even a new PC since its assembled of what is already avail for everyone. And we ll see how the ovepricing would do on market. And no support, no new OS ...


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@Nameless

ARM is not yet ripe for home computer but can get it within a couple of years. Cusa claims to follow the ARM with interest.

When writing to Cos, Linux Mint is completely right now. But time is not static, everything changes all the time but it has to start somewhere and it started with Mint. It would not surprise me if Cos is not recognized in 2-3 years. Something other than Linux is unthinkable if the idea is to distribute the sales.


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@Darrin

What would you do if you started the manufacturing of computers and took the names Commodore and Amiga?

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@CritAnime

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That sounds pretty much like what Commodore Gaming aimed to do... Then they went bust because no one wanted to spend money on an expensive and underpowered computer.

The manufactured computers that do not work very well and the warranty was a joke. They had no money to repair computers that have been returned because they are broken or not working.




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If you look at the news thats been curculating then you will see a good 50-60% is recirclauted from the other major news sites. When you strip away the recirculated stuff you find it's a pretty mixed bag with many not interested in it.

All publicity is good publicity!


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Posted on 24-Mar-2012 0:37:44
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The Great Wall in the Amiga community is what is "Amiga".

It's easy!
Classic Amiga Amiga is correct for its time, current Amiga is a real Amiga for the future and none of them has to do with each other than the name.


Emotionally is another matter and there is nothing to do about it now but it will be more acceptance for each year that passes. Especially when they see what is on the way!


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@ Linnar

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What would you do if you started the manufacturing of computers and took the names Commodore and Amiga?


Right from the start I said:

With just the Commodore name, I'd market a line of computers with pre-installed classic 8 bit and 16 bit emulators and also use my website to sell ADF images of games.

With the Amiga name I'd sell a range of custom cases for classic and NG Amiga solutions. Also, I'd look at selling FPGA based Amigas in full cooperation with people like MikeJ or the NATAMI team. I'd also use my website to sell pre-loaded SD cards with HDF images and ROMs for existing "Minimig" users and various ADF images.


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That would be awesome! Too bad CUSA doesn't support anything like that. They don't even support OSS. :(

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@Darrin

re: Damocles real name

Maybe its just me, but that was a bit out of line. If people here want others to know their real names they'll tell people. If you was genuinely interested perhaps a pm would have been more appropriate?

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@ Fishy_Fiz

It's common knowledge (I believe) in Amigaland what Dammys real name is as he doesn't actually hide it...

It has been posted many times on the various sites and he even makes it public himself on the net...

So I guess there is no need for anyone to ask, as all it would take is a simple google to find this out as Dammy obviously has no problems or issues with making his real name public knowledge...

(Never will understand why some people want to remain anonymous on the net but that's just me I guess)...


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Classic Amiga Amiga is correct for its time, current Amiga is a real Amiga for the future and none of them has to do with each other than the name.


True, as well as CUSA is none, just because of licence.
IIts great wall of US that you buy licence for name of franchise and you believe
you are master of universe.

Like you were replied millions of times, it would be nice if CUSA was leading Amiga (that is AmigaOS) x86 patth, but it isn`t

Also the reselling scheme looks like easy way to build a distro net, but:
a) Initally reseller has to buy 10 barebones, that is ~$3400 investment that
gives just the case and BD ROM drive. He also determines end price,good news is that every even smaller dealer can get config cheaper then CUSA offer, even with $340 loss over case + licencing costs CUSA will extra charge
b) There will be a confusion on model naming and will and how Mint support exactly all possible combinations
c) Its questionable whether you can resell COS which isn`t exact intellectual property of CUSA without agreement with Mint team
b) Since suppliers will deal with all guarantees CUSA name worldwide depends on their reliablity

Its kind of win win for CUSA (licence and COS fee, barebone profit) without any responsibility or support to end dealer or user. Imagine OS support will be up to each and every dealer.

Its at the same time MLM genious and very unreliable scheme for dealers and end customers, no quality testing or real support.

But we need to love Leos optimism
Quote:
I We have received thousands of requests worldwide for such a program,


They never receive just few requests or sell few machines even its obviously small startup company

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From my perspective its simply a matter of choice. People should be allowed to choose whether or not they want others to know thier names.
I personally dont even use my real name in real life more often than not :) In fact so much so that Ive ended up with enough ID over the years that I could do some shifty stuff if I had an inclination. Not that I intend to, it's just a side effect of using my middle name as my sir name for so many years without having legally changed it.

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Hey Dammy,

Is Randy Vice your real name?


Yes Mr. Moderator, it is my real name. What is yours?


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Why is there a constant need to use derogatory terms all the time?



Because these people selling fake products and abusing the Amiga name make me sick.

The big question is why don't you ban them - and that ultra troll Arko bloke too while you're at it.

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Yes Mr. Moderator, it is my real name. What is yours?

+1, but do not run into the trap discussing moderation in public.. ;)

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