To be honest - I am using WinUAE just because AmiKIT guys who created really great looking AmigaOS system :) and install it everywhere I can. For now I have it on 2 Desktops and 3 LapTops :)

Not using it often, but it is good to have something unusual to show somebody.

All best with Mozilla-like port & Congratulations for this really brave effort! :)

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@Itix:
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Are you the Netscape executive?

ouch! you catch me!

Seriously, I just feel what this person should think about us amigans.. even more when such donation was announced everywhere..(not only on amiga-websites), and i guess he will like to kick our balls... i honestly think it's fair play if the money from that person is given to the brothers if they complete the port (what most of us are sure will happen), after all.. that NS Executive donated to see Firefox on AmigaOS - and thats os3 or os4 as i see it.

You know i have nothing against MOS (or AROS), it's just i'm trying to see it as from this NS Executive's eyes.

@Crumb

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Yes, but that means AmigaOS *3.x*. OS4, MOS and AROS were added later. If only one binary was available I would prefer it to be 68k since it could run on most of the platforms.

I don't think Rogue will port it to AmigaOS 1.0, it too old and outdated, even if there are some Amiga 1000 users left, it not worth it effort, Amiga1000 does not have the CPU power, nor the RAM needed, and the same is true for AmigaOS3.x only supports 2MB ram some images on Internet are 1MB ram or more, whit out proper support for Virtual Memory, I don't think it can be done.

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@Hans

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I don't think so since a single byte without context is not part of anything, code is always a sequence of bytes within a context that forms a set of ordered instructions. You could start arguing about how similar code has to be before it's a copy and not just similar (or theonly way to use a particular API) but that's where the intent comes in. Crumb was suggesting that the Friedens are circumventing the intent of the license, which is not the case; it clearly states (in black and white) that it can be used in conjunction with closed-source files.

Yeah, I was just trolling, I guess. The courts here in the US have a difficult time separating common art, e.g. for (i = 0; i < x; i++) ..., from copyrightable (or even patentable!!!) material.

I stopped using Netscape/Firefox years ago (around the time Internet Explorer 2.0 was released--I use Chrome now), but it's nice to see someone hopefully focusing on the other things a browser does: communication, security, personal information management, etc. Most of the attempts thus far look like quick and dirty HTML renderer ports with very little thought given to the rest of the application.

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I don't think Rogue will port it to AmigaOS 1.0, it too old and outdated, even if there are some Amiga 1000 users left, it not worth it effort, Amiga1000 does not have the CPU power, nor the RAM needed, and the same is true for AmigaOS3.x only supports 2MB ram some images on Internet are 1MB ram or more, whit out proper support for Virtual Memory, I don't think it can be done.

You could buffer the data directly from the web server to the local framebuffer. Performance would obviously suffer, but it would work. It's really no different than buffering data from disk to memory.

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I don't think Rogue will port it to AmigaOS 1.0, it too old and outdated, even if there are some Amiga 1000 users left, it not worth it effort, Amiga1000 does not have the CPU power, nor the RAM needed, and the same is true for AmigaOS3.x only supports 2MB ram some images on Internet are 1MB ram or more, whit out proper support for Virtual Memory, I don't think it can be done.

What do you mean?

With three extra floppy drives you can have 4 x 880 = 3.5 MB for virtual memory, it is possible

@Trev
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I stopped using Netscape/Firefox years ago (around the time Internet Explorer 2.0 was released--I use Chrome now)

quite long ago indeed! (wasn't it like Mosaic? ;)

Which browser did you was using before Chrome? just curious

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NS Executive donated to see Firefox on AmigaOS - and thats os3 or os4 as i see it.

It's not only about the target OS version, the bounty terms have changed considerably from fully open source to (partially) closed source. And as the company is rather "open" (well they open sourced the browser in the first place...) I don't think they would like the idea of closed source port too much, especially considering a bounty for fully open source also exists.

And before transfering the money to the "newer version of the OS" bounty, shouldn't we at least wait for some resolution in Amiga inc. vs Hyperion case so that we know for sure, if the new OS may be called "AmigaOS"?

Of course someone could do the transfer, but only after asking and getting a positive reply, as the terms (especially open => closed) are so different, that the opinion of the donor should be asked.

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Will TIMBERWOLF include the e-mail client part?

Seeing as Thunderbird isn't part of Firefox, the "e-mail client part" would be a separate project called something like TimberRabbit.

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@ andres :
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Could the Amizilla bounty be switched to this one? It's a big bounty, and it was made for Firefox... so!

Why? They could pick the part meant to the OS4 port though... isn't that enough?

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@samwel
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The real reason is maybe to make OS4.x a more attractive choice than MorphOS or AROS?! Is this not a given?

Cool! Let make our product better in the shoulders of Open Source software, that's the spirit! ;)

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@bernd_afa
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firefox is much faster as OWB, show the page text very soon, because its multithreaded. now look with your OS4 OWB browser.does it show too text of this page in 8 sec ? try several times. I test with AROS OWB on vmware.Need here 7 sec. Then i try firefox windows.need 3-4 sec. then i use the safari browser with webkit engine.Need too only 3-4 sec.

That kind of tests are useless, unless all programs are run on same operating system, and perhaps even more importantly, same hardware. So OS4 OWB cannot really be compared to windows Firefox. So this leaves 2 choices, running both on OS4 (which is not possible, as Firefox port isn't ready yet) or running both on Windows, did you have any test running OWB on windows?

Better not comment AROS results too much either, as it's based on only one browser (so any slowness could be due to some OS / TCP/IP stack overhead which applies to all browsers) and vmware will also definitely affect the results

And indeed, if the speed is too slow, it might be easier to optimize OWB, than start working on another browser port from scratch (which MIGHT end up faster... Or not...)

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Cool! Let make our product better in the shoulders of Open Source software, that's the spirit! ;)

Many commercial products available today are build on knowledge / scientific results freely available - do you think that's a problem aswell?

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I don't think Rogue will port it to AmigaOS 1.0, it too old and outdated, even if there are some Amiga 1000 users left, it not worth it effort, Amiga1000 does not have the CPU power, nor the RAM needed, and the same is true for AmigaOS3.x only supports 2MB ram some images on Internet are 1MB ram or more, whit out proper support for Virtual Memory, I don't think it can be done.

uh? AmigaOS 3.x supports the same amount of ram as AmigaOS4, around 1.8GB. Amithlon is probably faster than Sam440 and you can't run Firefox on Amithlon on the Linux side.

There are more AmigaOS3.x users than OS4 users

@rogue

saying that OS3 users only play adf games is like saying OS4 users just run quick SDL game ports (if you look at OS4 depot it looks like that).

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@Crumb

[Joke mode]
Commodore 64 users are more than OS4 users, then if you run it as emulation on x86 Vice it is faster than Sam440 too
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[Serious mode]
AmigaOS 3.x is obsolete, you can't develop Firefox decenty on it ...
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Did you see Microsoft develop modern apps on Windows 95 ?

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@Crumb

Why not port firefox to windows 3.11 at the same time too?

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@diegocr

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Seriously, I just feel what this person should think about us amigans.. even more when such donation was announced everywhere..(not only on amiga-websites), and i guess he will like to kick our balls... i honestly think it's fair play if the money from that person is given to the brothers if they complete the port (what most of us are sure will happen), after all.. that NS Executive donated to see Firefox on AmigaOS - and thats os3 or os4 as i see it.

You have to ask from that guy what were his intentions. Just like with that Sputnik bounty where money was not automatically transfered to OS4 OWB bounty.

Nevertheless it is premature to speculate about it. If and when it is completed it is money business. Until then it is just an open bounty. The crowd is already talking why they have not ported it to AROS/Classic AmigaOS/MorphOS when there actually is not functional browser. Some common sense could be included when reading Amiga boards.

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@Crumb

I have not seen any A1200 whit more then 128mb ram.
and 2MB chip for gfx.

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@NutsAboutAmiga

Our A1200 has 256 Terabytes of RAM. And we still have a DIMM socket free for more if needed.

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@nuts about amiga: despite your nick you seem to be completely uninformed about what an original amiga is capable of (with certain extentions, i must admit). perhaps you never owned one. i run 1680x1050 workbench in32 bit and can practically open as many instances of netsurf of whatever as i want. the admitably limited 16mb ram on my voodoo3 doesnt actually seem to put any limits to that. using os4 and owb on the same machine im quite soon out of system ram. that is rather sore truth. but nevertheless i wish luck with the above project even though also os4 users doesnt seem to be the subject of concern anymore.