While it's great news, I do feel sorry for the people/person behind OWB which has obviously had so much work put into it (and helped sell quite a few copies of OS4).

It also seems that it's a bit late.....it should have been released last year, oh well better late than never I guess ;)

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Don't hold your breath but it seems that meantime afxgroup will restart the development of OWB

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quite long ago indeed! (wasn't it like Mosaic? ;) Which browser did you was using before Chrome? just curious

Well, all browsers are based on Mosaic, so.... I started with Mosaic and Netscape Navigator on Windows 3.1 in 1994 when I got my first PPP connection. In the early days of Netscape, Navigator wasn't free (and Mosaic was really just a technology demonstration), so I switched to Internet Explorer 2.0 when it was released for Windows 95. I'd been using Internet Explorer as my primary Windows browser until the release of Chrome. Now I just use Internet Explorer at work.

On my Macs, I use Safari. When I use *nix systems (which isn't often), I use Firefox or the last release of Navigator. I don't use a browser on my Amigas.

As a renderer, Firefox is fine, but I've never been happy with the rest of the browser. And WTF is up with certificate handling in the latest release? Self-signed certificates are *everywhere* on corporate intranets, yet the Firefox people make it as difficult as possible to use them.

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From the AmiZilla Team's perpective, this is great, as it'll solve the getting FireFox on OS4 problem for us!

I'll probably have time to work on AmiZilla on OS3 in the next couple of months, all going well. If we end up with AmiZilla on OS3, AROS and MOS, then we'd share a 1/4 of the AmiZilla bounty with the Friedens- they may have to open up their source for the AmiZilla bounty conditions though (but that wouldn't be an issue until the other OS ports were done).


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I think it's better to inform donaters of the AmiZilla bounty that after all these years nothing has happened and donaters should get the option to get a refund or transfer the money to another bounty.

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I am an amigan back from years of absence, in my days Aros and Morph were just beginning and the hope for future commercial products was still high.

From my perspective seeing people that prefer home projects to the official Amiga development seems weird and counterproductive (as it is counterproductive to future Amiga development to support old OS and machines that will NEVER EVER see any upgrade from now to the rest of eternity).

I don't see Apple supporting their System 7 or Microsoft supporting Windows 95 no matter how many people still use those obsolete OSs (in south America there are several thousands offices that still use Win98 SE, the fact that they exist doesn't convince anyone to support those prehistoric systems).

I donated to this project and to HDRlabs that is making a radeon HD driver for os 4.1 (which will open the door to even more powerful videocards once a PCE-8/16X mobo will be eventually available) this is the right direction IMHO

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Not sure that AmiZilla have some so important pieces of code which need to give for Fridens :) By my opinion (it's how i remember all the crap while i followed a bit to Amizilla project) - amizilla have nothink to show for users, that only some ports of some libs (which already os4 have for now), that is very big size of binary (it was about 300mb only just load/exit ? ) , and when i read developers talks in the mailing list, i think "holy crap, they will never finish that in this way".

So, imho, i am one more for the giving ppls who donated to Amizilla a choice : to which project retransfer money. And let's ppls choice itself how spend they money. Like author of Sputnik did. That was good step from him. Maybe amizilla bounty already in "business" ?:))

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I wonder which/how many add-ons for Firefox will work after the port will be finished. I have once tried UnPlug on a Linux ARM Firefox port and it worked, does that mean that at least some of them aren't CPU/platform specific, while others (like the Flash plug-in) are?

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We have OWB which is based on Webkit... better than gecko. Why just don't write a gui, download manager and all the rest for OWB? Even if we have a gecko browser we will not have JAVA and FLASH. We have already a super web engine which is on OWB. Anyway congratulations for the hardwork it is as always appreciated. I'm going to donate a little.

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I was at Pianeta Amiga last Saturday and I talked in person with "AFXGroup" as he illustrated his progress on Gnash, when i asked about OBW integration his face changed color and he wasn't so keen in describing the OS 4.1 port of OWB (to say the least).
He also said that we were getting Firefox (he already knew apparently) and he was quite happy about it.
It would seem that OWB on OS4.1 isn't "that" good underneath...

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@ Michael Dietz donation for ¤555

That's incredibly generous.. My ¤15 looks lame in comparison
I defend myself in that I recently got unemployed and that I currently even don't own an Amiga.

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now question is: When?

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We have OWB which is based on Webkit... better than gecko. Why just don't write a gui, download manager and all the rest for OWB?

Because the code is not 'the real Firefox' maybe they did the Firefox port for a community that likes big names and myth.

I think AROS and MOS should try to swap applications and code ....

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I borrowed this comments from here (#27 & #28):
http://amigaworld.net/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?topic_id=38873&forum=2&start=20&order=0

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saying that OS3 users only play adf games is like saying OS4 users just run quick SDL game ports (if you look at OS4 depot it looks like that).

If you read what I said, I said WinUAE users mostly use it for playing ADF games, not AmigaOS 3.x. If you want to do puns, at least make sure you make them based on what I say, not what you read into it.

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I don't see Apple supporting their System 7 or Microsoft supporting Windows 95 no matter how many people still use those obsolete OSs (in south America there are several thousands offices that still use Win98 SE, the fact that they exist doesn't convince anyone to support those prehistoric systems). I donated to this project and to HDRlabs that is making a radeon HD driver for os 4.1 (which will open the door to even more powerful videocards once a PCE-8/16X mobo will be eventually available) this is the right direction IMHO

For small office and company business Win98SE is enough or at least winXP
AmigaOS today is OS for home computing only

Driver Radeon HD for now is only 2D and it's not finished.

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@rogue
will be FF have HW support for rendering ? (i mean, will be it use Cairo, and will Cairo have HW support for the times when first beta-version of FF will be released ?)

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@NutsAboutAmiga Our A1200 has 256 Terabytes of RAM. And we still have a DIMM socket free for more if needed.

http://pinouts.ru/Slots/A1200CPU_pinout.shtml

A0 to A23 24 bit address bus that gives you.
2^24 = that gives you max of 16Mb of addressable memory.

http://www.chipcatalog.com/Motorola/MC68060.htm
The MC68060 has a full 32 bit address bus A0 to A31
2^32 = 4 GBytes

So how can you address terabytes of memory?
Even whit a MMU it’s not physical possible to address more the 4Gbytes.

http://www.amiga-hardware.com/showhardware.cgi?HARDID=154

The Buzzard PPC 603e connected to the trap door, can have up 256mb ram, externally, internally the A1200 does not support this.
Even if you try to emulate an Amiga system your limited to the 8 address registers of etch 32bit, it’s not even possible under emulation to support more the 2Gbyes physical ram.

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Indeed, and that's why they need (and deserve IMHO) our support!

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Cool! Let make our product better in the shoulders of Open Source software, that's the spirit! ;)

Cool! Keep commenting without having read FF's licence nor the bounty terms, that's the spirit! ;)

The world is full of products based on open source elements mixed with proprietary elements, which is perfectly legal if the licence permits it. Have you ever seen the various version based on parts of FF or Webkit? Don't you have one right in your pocket in the form of a smartphone? Or MacOS?
Why don't you (not you = pixie) try to do some reality checks sometimes and have a look outside, in the real world?
It's already stated various times that all the sources for which it's required will be released while for proprietary bits it isn't ruled out.

@thread
Regarding the Amizilla bounty, i don't think it's "ethical" to split the bounty for varius ports, there are people who donated with more than one Amiga-flavour in mind.

Regarding FF i think that what's important isn't just the browser itself or the "brand" (this may be important just to attract people's interest) but the addons; for example i couldn't live without webdeveloper+firebug+yslow. Also it brings various niceties usable aside from the browser, like XULRunner and SpiderMonkey.

As for FF vs. OWB i don't see the problem in having more than one browser. Really. On my various peecees both at home and at work i have at least 4 of them (FF, IE, Opera, Safari) and even various revisions of the same browser. It's quite normal when you develop web apps.

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When I heard of figures like 25% reward for 90% or more of the work I wonder where they get those figures from to start from.

One could assume that most of this work would be heavily attached to a given platform making way harder to have it working across the 4 platforms, I can't call it 90% of work needed to comply with Amizzilla bounty, not more then having 100% of work already done but on other platforms. Had it really been 90% and it would mean that those doing this sheer amount of work could easily do the 10% left (after all it's such a tiny amount of work isn't it) needed to collect the full bounty.

One might assume that if it was targeted at a OS 3 version one could easily collect all the Amizilla bounty.

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