@pixie:

I still don't see the logic behind pushing your plattform and using the work done by others.

Maybe you're trying to put some moral inside it, but that has nothing to do with pushing your plattform and making it grow by whatever means.

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bernd_afa wrote: @DAX >(and as an outsider that hopes for a modern Amiga OS I second the fact that OS3 >should be abandoned forever) BTW: When i read your comment and see that you are new, i get in mind that DAX is maybe a second account of a AOS4 Fan that want make OS4 promotion, so users think OS4 is the best future, because you like it.

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bernd_afa wrote: maybe somebody at amigaworld can look, if here maybe afxgroup have a secondary account as DAX ?

bernd_afa, give the guy a ####### break!


@DAX

Don't mind the nay-sayers, they seem to have a hard time with something. I'm with you

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Personally I am glad to hear of Timberwolf. It is about damn time!

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Thats no fun, same i read from several OS4 users that want force with the words hey you use a old system, buy OS4 its new.But i dont see whats newer and cant do with OS3 and AROS code or AROS code...Here the transfer of Data need longer than the calc time even on a slow 440ep PPC the PPC must wait 20 clocks for each transfered long data over the PCI Bus., so its faster when the PPC calc itself instead waiting for Data.

I was the most unknown guy at Pianeta Amiga this year, I knew nobody there (and nobody knew me) go figure...

As for OpenCL It depends on what you are doing with it (it helpful in many ways), if it's a real time application, than your bandwidth assumptions are correct, if it is for example a Radiosity rendering algorithm it's great help instead as after the necessary set up (transfer of assets from main ram to the graphic card ram) it will do the calculations for you and when it has finished it will transfer back the finished bitmap on a bus that is capable of 66Mb/sec transfers (and not even a 2K image is 66 MB).
Moreover from where the Sam's technology come from, there are many additional hardware choices (the 460EX for example) that could eventually turn into Amiga boards (all of them feature PCI-E).
HD Video can be done by the 4350's on board UVD-2 (Universal Video Decoder) which is the same one used in the latest models (including the 5870) and capable of reproducing 2 Full HD videos without the use of the CPU (just overlay the output in DVplayer and that's it) None of my FullHD MKV files reach 66MB/sec.

Look, we are going way off topic here, let's continue this discussion in the "is Amiga OS ancient" thread shall we?.

Back on topic: let's not underestimate the fact that thanks to Timberwolf, XUL is landing on the platform, which could lead to several interesting scenarios

P.S.
At marko and the others, thanks for the kind words

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@ bernd_afa

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i have inform firefox team about that thread and bounty and what they think about that, lets see, maybe they change the licence.....

hmm .. what do you think the Mozilla Foundation think about others doing a port of Mozilla software according to the terms and conditions of the Mozilla Public License? No, no need to answer.. that was a rhetorical question

Anyway, thanks for the publicity, maybe the Foundation will even donate something

While you are at it: Could you please also write to some or even all of the big IT news sites? They very likely won't report what you hope though.. but that way you'd at least help us in the marketing department.. Thank you for that!

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@DAX
>460EX for example) that could eventually turn into Amiga boards (all of them >feature PCI-E).

the 460ex have no FPU.the only cpu with FPU is 440ep.

Edit: sorry was wrong, 460ex have FPU

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This is really great news. I haven't used an Amiga for several years but I read all the forums daily in hope that some important developments will be announced. Being a student I do not have enough cash at the moment to buy a new Amiga system but hopefully I will by the time Timberwolf is released.

It is a bit sad though seeing all those who do nothing but whine. The Amiga community did not use to be like that..

>While you are at it: Could you please also write to some or even all of the big IT >news sites? They very likely won't report what you hope though.. but that way you'd >at least help us in the marketing department.. Thank you for that!

I can also do report on the pthread, Cairo, newlib team, what the Hyperion guys do out of there platform independent opensource software and the product they want sell.

i know there are enough devs that hate guys, that catch oepnsource code if they can and dont give something back and want make much money with the source they get for free,

Thats the reason that there are licences, so the opensource code should be stay opensource code.

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the 460ex have no FPU.the only cpu with FPU is 440ep.

Wrong, the AMCC 460EX has a FPU.

check pag 15 HERE

- FPU (2Mfops/MHz Single and Double Precision)

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@bernd_afa

IS IT ####ING POSSIBLE??? HOW MANY TIMES HAVE PEOPLE REPETIDLY OVER AND OVER AGAIN SAID THAT THEY'RE FOOLOWING THE TERMS OF THE LICENSES TO PORTING FIREFOX?? {INSULTS EDITED OUT}. And i see several others too. {INSULT EDITED OUT}

Official warning, don't flame/troll/bait!

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I can also do report on the pthread, Cairo, newlib

You would make yourself look rather stupid if you 'reported' about pthread, it's a standard, not a specific implementation. The Freidens wrote their own AmigaOS implentation. It's not covered by any license except that which they might create themselves.

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I can also do report on the pthread, Cairo, newlib

Newlib is used in pretty much every embedded system that uses gcc as the toolchain. Please go ahead and check the newlib website for the license that they use. Go ahead, knock yourself out and 'report' this!

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@bernd_afa

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i have inform firefox team about that thread and bounty and what they think about that, lets see, maybe they change the licence.....

Why, what are you hoping to achieve by doing this?
Why do you want the licence changed?
How does that in any way affect you?

Looks like yet another excuse for you to attack OS4.
You dont like OS4, ok we get it.
So please stop trashing every thread with your hate.

I'll have to read the TOS again before I describe what I think of your actions.

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I can also do report on the pthread, Cairo, newlib team, what the Hyperion guys do out of there platform independent opensource software and the product they want sell.

It's getting more and more funny every day - it reaches some kind of hystery in the meantime...

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How on earth is it possible that a really positive announcement like the port of Firefox to Amiga develops into yet another thread filled with silly arguments and stupid remarks? I'm not a talented programmer, I don't have the money (nor space) to get me a SAM (I'm still looking at the possibility to use it as a multi-media-device but that's another subject) but I can see that AmigaOS is desperately in need of a modern, well capable internet browser. So I feel that all OS4.x users should be at least great full for the Friedens to go through the hassle of porting the beast. So how about some positive feedback and forget about all the moaning and demotivating comments? Shouldn't we all just get along?

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maybe somebody at amigaworld can look, if here maybe afxgroup have a secondary account as DAX ?

Damn.. this is really a crazy thing. Do you think that i don't have the courage to say something to you face to face?
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@ bernd_afa

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I can also do report on the pthread, Cairo, newlib team, what the Hyperion guys do out of there platform independent opensource software and the product they want sell.

Now THAT was a good one!

Or.. are you actually serious? I don't hope so for you, because if you were actually serious you just would have made a bigger foul out of yourself than anybody else could have done!

I'll give you a small hint.. actually three hints as you mentioned three products (same order as your list): standard which license depends on the implementors (subhint: we did NOT "port" it), http://cairographics.org/ (especially the last part in the last sentence starting with "or the.."), http://sourceware.org/newlib/COPYING.NEWLIB (which you can also find in the OS4 SDK).

But hey, maybe you were actually kidding and in that case it was a REALLY good one and you are a really funny guy.

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>Why, what are you hoping to achieve by doing this?
>Why do you want the licence changed?
>How does that in any way affect you?

I fear now that the friedens begin to avoid releasing all source in opensource soft, is the begin of total red versus blue war and the MOS side do same.

Not that the friedens or somebody else can make profit in that way out of the opensource written and give nothing back until a OS4 system is buy.

maybe ask fab or other MOS devs if they still release their work in OWB (flashplayer)Blender complete in source, if they must fear that the frieden guys catch them and find ways to make money with it.

>Shouldn't we all just get along?

sorry there is nothing we only the OS4.
ok but the reaction here that all happy that the friedens not release all source code, i accept it show me that there most OS4 users dont want a we, they want force to buy OS4.

and thats good that i have no OS4, i dont want count to such a group.

I think thats same that childrens with no nike clothes or something else are called as out and force to buy some.

But diffrent on AOS, also OS4 is a very very small group.

But i try sooner or later too a firefox on 68k AOS, thats sure, only whats not sure is if there is actual OS4 firefox.

But i wish you enough money to pay the friedens to finish the work.But as i told i for meself are happy that i never pay them money.

now see whats happen, if then all AOS devs search a way so that they not release the source.

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