This a GREAT News for the Community..

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I didn't knew that OS4Emu emulates OS4.1 as well...

OS4Emu doesn't exactly emulate OS4, but rather "several libraries present in OS4" (and even then doesn't really emulate, but run natively).

So with OS4.1 some programs might need libraries not present in OS4, or require newer version of them, which would practically require a new version of OS4Emu with new functionality added. Nothing like "rewriting the whole thing from scratch" or anything.

Whether this will work or not remains to be seen, personally I didn't really see much point in firefox port since first release of OWB, other than at least the first MorphOS port of OWB not being too feature rich, but lots of missing basic functionality was added to the latest version and it's already rather nice browser (I assume the same applies to OS4 version aswell - it should probably be more feature-rich considering it's been available for so much longer)

Of course OWB has its problems aswell (such as not handling out of memory situations very well, and eating lots of memory), and I wonder if Firefox is any better in that sense...

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I'm sorry - what are these screenshots about? Are you kiddin'? Please make some screenshots of Acid Browser test showing a good result. This is what matters.

Can't see the point in that really. You can find tons of screenshots of MacOS, Linux, Windows etc. versions of Firefox showing exactly that. And I dare say that "getting bitmap of properly rendered page" is probably among the easier parts of this project (and making it work within Amiga-like environment being among the hardest)

When it's more finished (which it is not, yet) the rendering output should be (almost) identical to that of any other version of same browser. If it isn't, they didn't base their port on Firefox

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Oh, and if ACID tests are the only thing that matters, I think OWB already does rather well in them?

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I didn't knew that OS4Emu emulates OS4.1 as well...

As explained above. I would just add that you should not worry about that 'emulation' being slow. According to some tests last weeks, dvplayer runs the same speed on os4 as in mos+os4emu.

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I didn't really see much point in firefox port since first release of OWB

I aggree. Dunno, but i don't see a reason for such trill when we can only see menu bar. I wouldn't send amizilla money to timberwolf project, just because it is made by Frieden brothers. Another 'two more weeks' of waiting?

I wonder if owb could support FF plugins. I work as web developer and w/o firebug, coudn't work at all. If OWB ever get this plugins to work and Flash player, give amizilla bounty to Jorg; at least owb is available to all amiga os'es (afaik).

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Poster: zerohero Date: 29-Sep-2009 17:12:15 @clusteruk I think you'll find on the bounty page that not all source will be made available to others. Or at least does not need to be made available, according to the Mozilla license. I very much think this will be OS4.1 only.

Ok fair enough, i wish them all the best. Shame we could not get cross platform development because the bounty amount would surely go much higher.

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@Srbin
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As explained above. I would just add that you should not worry about that 'emulation' being slow. According to some tests last weeks, dvplayer runs the same speed on os4 as in mos+os4emu.

No, it's faster on MorphOS+OS4emu, actually. :)

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I wonder if owb could support FF plugins. I work as web developer and w/o firebug, coudn't work at all. If OWB ever get this plugins to work and Flash player, give amizilla bounty to Jorg; at least owb is available to all amiga os'es (afaik).

Just to remind you that amizilla relates to all amiga-like flavours, so there's no reason the amizilla bounty would be given only to joerg, since he's only responsible for the OS4 port. Don't forget there's also an AROS and MorphOS port of OWB (the latter having plugin support and a flash plugin, btw).

I have to say that owb on aros is amazing and just to add gnash would make me really happy. All we need then is skype and Aros is a complete network computer for me.

I would like to see cross platform efforts emerging more. it can work really well as we have seen.

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All we need then is skype

No sir, "we" do certainly not need Skype nor any other kind of closed source VOIP-program with some obscure, proprietary communication protocol. What you and everyone else do need, however, is an open source SIP based softphone. Anything less than that would just be embarrassing.

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FF has become everything it was supposed to avoid, when the Firebird was forked out from Mozilla once upon a time.

I think that's a little harsh. Firefox is still a fantastic product that's focussed on being a very good browser (as opposed the the jack of all trades that Mozilla was and Seamonkey is).

The Mozilla guys are well aware that the webkit browsers have taken a few strides ahead of them in terms of raw speed and they're working hard to rectify that.

Now, does anyone know if Tracemonkey (the ludicrously fast javascript engine in FF3.5) runs on PowerPC, or will we be limited to Spidermonkey for now?

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Just to remind you that amizilla relates to all amiga-like flavours, so there's no reason the amizilla bounty would be given only to joerg, since he's only responsible for the OS4 port. Don't forget there's also an AROS and MorphOS port of OWB (the latter having plugin support and a flash plugin, btw).

indeed.. it should be mine since i was the first that port OWB..

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Holy cow!!!

Time to transfer some more cash to my PayPal account...

A very welcomed project, good luck with the porting

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Cross-platform efforts would be nice, but in this case the Amizilla bounty was cross-platform, and has resulted in nothing.

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No, it's faster on MorphOS+OS4emu, actually. :)

When MOS is faster in everything, my calculation was that mos+emu works equally as native os4.1. I guess DVplayer is faster because of mos itself, not just by os4emu.

If you find above sentence confusing, try not to undestand it. Not even i am sure what i told, as i can't really explain it :)

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Just to remind you that amizilla relates to all amiga-like flavours, so there's no reason the amizilla bounty would be given only to joerg, since he's only responsible for the OS4 port. Don't forget there's also an AROS and MorphOS port of OWB (the latter having plugin support and a flash plugin, btw).

My wrong. I though Jorg is making all 3 versions. To correct myself above:
if OWB gets FF plugins and flash for os4, mos and aros, give those guys amizilla bounty.

If it weren't the plugins, Firefox wouldn't actually be so popular. Opera is great also but i don't use it. I don't run for labels, i need speed and functionality.

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@Srbin

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My wrong. I though Jorg is making all 3 versions. To correct myself above: if OWB gets FF plugins and flash for os4, mos and aros, give those guys amizilla bounty. If it weren't the plugins, Firefox wouldn't actually be so popular. Opera is great also but i don't use it. I don't run for labels, i need speed and functionality.

Joerg (at beginning Andrea Palmatè) did the OS4 port, sszymczy wrote the AROS port, and I wrote the MorphOS port.

The three ports have Webkit in common obviously, but apart from that, they're completely different UI-wise and feature-wise.

Regarding plugins, I think Gecko/Firefox system offers more possibilities than Webkit/OWB system.

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Reading the bounty terms...

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The source code of the port will be made available only as far as the MPL requires it, i.e. all modified source code files will be available for interested parties, but new files will not.

IMHO taking advantage of the work of others thanks to open source but trying to circunvect the licenses finding legal holes to avoid sharing your work based on others is an act of hypocrisy

Good luck with the project.

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the unofficial version of firefox for 64bit cpu is named Shiretoko :) (not codename, but real name of browser)
so, timberwolf OS4 for the same reason

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Performance problems? I have no performance problems with Firefox on Win or Linux.

One of the reasons I like Firefox is that I can use the same browser on both Win and Linux. And... I would love to use the "same" browser on OS4 as well, so thumbs up for this.

So far I like what I see, the timberwolf1.jpg pic me like very much, thanx

Keep it going Friedens!

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AWESOME News!

best wishes and luck with the project.

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I hope it would be totally integrated with AmigaOS unique features (Datatypes, Arexx...etc, etc)

That will be great, of course. But more than that, i'll like 90% (if not all(?)) of addons/extensions will be usable. - it will be?

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IMHO taking advantage of the work of others thanks to open source but trying to circunvect the licenses finding legal holes to avoid sharing your work based on others is an act of hypocrisy

If the license clearly states that not all code has to be shared, then there is nothing to circumvent. These aren't legal loop-holes, but allowances that are specified in black and white. There is no hipocrisy.

I find the open-source purist (or people who just want to use someone else's work for free) attacks on people who use the closed-source clauses in non-GPL licenses rather pathetic. Take the BSD license, for example; the BSD license clearly says that you have the author's permission to use the source-code within a closed-source project. Nevertheless, there will be some moaners out there who feel that it's somehow still wrong for someone else to actually use this clause despite them clearly having the original author's permission.

The bottom line is, if the license says that it's okay to use the source-code in a closed source project, then it really is okay to use the source-code in a closed-source project (provided that all requirements are met).

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Quote: Quote: Similar to the ones that make Debian call their version Iceweasel probably. Well, according to the Debian policy, everything should be opened, and this include graphics,.. as Firefox is a trademark and the Logo isn't free, they decided to rename it... I think this has nothing to do with the reason why it is renamed for AmigaOS 4... As far as I know, open source and trademark free has never been a goal for Hyperion ;) On the contrary... Everything is closed, including the hardware which comes with a dongle, but this is another story. Any more guess about this reason ?

I don't know, maybe you should learn to google properly and then learn to read the results. Copyright / trademark in images is certainly afactor, but the major factor is that Debian modify Firefox to their own ends, thus it is a slightly different product integrated into the Debian OS. The later is the part that applies to the potential AmigaOs port IMHO. Which is only IMHO and IANL.

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