@Tboeckel
Good shot :)
(popcorn mode on)

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IIRC in latest Amizilla threads there were some talks about giving a quarter of the bounty for each port to an amigoid system (AROS/MOS/OS4/OS3). If you want the part of the Amizilla bounty that would be for an AmigaOS4 port you would need to provide the full sources, otherwise the Amizilla os4-port bounty wouldn't be complete. It's just 2500$ but it would be a good addition to this new bounty.

Right... so for 90% of the work you would give someone 25% of the bounty? Besides, talk means nothing until somebody actually commits to it. I prefer this way. As I already explained, I do not want to encumber ourselves in compatibility issues, and I have no interest nor any knowledge of AROS or MOS, and I don't think OS 3 is worth the effort.

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Even though real 060 classics don't have enough power for Mozilla, x86 JIT has more than enough power on emulated ones (Amithlon/UAE)

UAE users can just launch Firefox on Windows or Linux. I don't have a clue as to how many people actually use UAE for anything other than playing ADF'ed games.

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@samo79

>... the UI, is unusable as is and this is not completely related to
>Reaction, infact NetSurf 3.0 Dev is mutch better speaking about
>the GUI, ...

this explains a lot, I was suprised why so much AOS4 users where exited over a new release of NetSurf.

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AOS3 is really missing a new browser, I have my doubts FF is possible on 68k, WinUAE doesn't need a FF port because users can install FF on the host system.

I am not so sure. Why would they run WinUAE in the first place? Everything is replaced by better Windows alternatives. Despite of that Bernd's OS3 OWB and Netsurf ports (although terribly buggy...) has been relatively popular.

If there was proper SDK for OS3 porting probably would not be difficult. Porting something like Cairo is trivial task (configure && make) and MorphOS and OS4 developers have already resolved lot of code (you can follow #ifdefs for required changes).

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Well as was pointed out on the bounty page, the source code will be given to someone else if we lose interest. The interim updates should be rather straightforward though, the widget and NSPR parts (which really are the biggest system-dependent parts) have not changed much in years, and it is doubtful they will change dramatically in the future.

The thing that has kept me supporting this the most is that it would seem in Hyperion's best interest, and the best interest of any other AmigaOS project leaders, to have Firefox available, and reasonably up to date with important things coming from Mozilla. And once there's something up and running, a lot of updates should be reasonable efforts to merge into Timberwolf, not gargantuous undertakings like the initial port is.

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This is great news!!

Really can't wait to test a beta of this thing!

I just hope it will become a lot more Amiga-like than OWB and have lots of settings like IBrowse. OWB is a necessity at these times but it does lack many useful features which make IBrowse such a excellent app.

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For me, the news is very exciting - not so much because of the browser, because OWB is so good. One of the main things for Firefox is the plug-in system, but I think OWB uses the same system anyway doesn't it (when it's compiled in :) ) - the NSAPI or whatever it's called.

However, what is interesting to me is that I seem to recall that Firefox has a large number of dependencies on other libraries. If Firefox is working, presumably those other libraries will also be ported and working.... which is no small news in itself.

Either way - best of luck to the Friedens, if anyone else had said they were doing it, my reaction would be "I'll believe it when I see it", but with them at the helm I'd say chances of it coming out are pretty high.

@itix

>I am not so sure. Why would they run WinUAE in the first place?

I always thought they did it for the games ...

>Everything is replaced by better Windows alternatives.
> Despite of that Bernd's OS3 OWB and Netsurf ports
>(although terribly buggy...) has been relatively popular.

AFAIK some still want to have an 'Amiga' and use Amiga applications from time to time, a lot of them want to have AOS4 for x86, without explaining why AOS4 and not AROS ...

New Amigas (AOS4, MOS, AROS) are still missing some killer applications, something that makes old Amiga fans switching from WinUAE to one of this OSes ... but this is OT here.

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@tboeckel
>Where is the source code for AfA 4.4 and 4.5? You released the binaries >here, but the source is missing. Where is your "opensource"?

its here

https://svn.aros.org/svn/aros/branches/trunk-AFAOS

@Rogue

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Quote: IIRC in latest Amizilla threads there were some talks about giving a quarter of the bounty for each port to an amigoid system (AROS/MOS/OS4/OS3). If you want the part of the Amizilla bounty that would be for an AmigaOS4 port you would need to provide the full sources, otherwise the Amizilla os4-port bounty wouldn't be complete. It's just 2500$ but it would be a good addition to this new bounty. Right... so for 90% of the work you would give someone 25% of the bounty?

Exactly. Or better yet, you could do the port to all 4, and claim full 10k (+ whatever the OS4.1-specific bounty will have) - isn't that easily worth the extra 10%?

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I have no interest nor any knowledge of AROS or MOS, and I don't think OS 3 is worth the effort.

As they are based on same OS (just like OS4) this shouldn't be that big effort. And together they are worth 7.5k

Besides, you could "hire" some people to handle the other ports from bounty money?

@itix
>am not so sure. Why would they run WinUAE in the first place? >Everything is replaced by better Windows alternatives.

thats easy to explain, when answer this questions.

Wy there are several cars out and colors ?.
there need only 1 car and 1 color.

Wy not say all buy a red Opel Corsa with 100 PS and all other cars should stamp in ?

the thinking that AOS is too worse to use if there is windows i here often, but then wy there use so many Linux, or as Desktop KDE or some other desktops ?.or wy so much use vmware ?

I like the AOS window handling, i configure it with press mid mousebutton window to front, ctrl midmousebutton window to back.also i like use of dopus magellan.

also most MOS OS4 User have a PC.

but all in all, wy should they switch on the MOS or OS4 HW when they have a PC ?.But they do it.

and if it make fun to use AOS, wy should then not run a fast X86 emulator.

and btw: that netsurf 68k is not buggy, can everybody test on UAE.

>New Amigas (AOS4, MOS, AROS) are still missing some killer >applications, something that makes old Amiga fans switching from >WinUAE to one of this OSes ... but this is OT here.

yes its OT, but if this few amiga community should be force to a system that cost much money and miss Hardware performance do not help much.

such a killerapp cant be written.If you afraid about virus on win, no problem, use a firefix in vmware

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thats easy to explain, when answer this questions.Wy there are several cars out and colors?.there need only 1 car and 1 color.Wy not say all buy a red Opel Corsa with 100 PS and all other cars should stamp in ?the thinking that AOS is too worse to use if there is windows i here often, but then wy there >use so many Linux, or as Desktop KDE or some other desktops ?.or wy so much use >vmware ? like the AOS window handling, i configure it with press mid mousebutton window to front, ctrl midmousebutton window to back.also i like use of dopus magellan. also most MOS OS4 User have a PC. but all in all, wy should they switch on the MOS or OS4 HW when they have a PC ?.But they do it.and if it make fun to use AOS, wy should then not run a fast X86 emulator. and btw: that netsurf 68k is not buggy, can everybody test on UAE.

You wrote a lot of things but there was no explanation why Windows users want to have Firefox on an emulated und five times slower system.

>>New Amigas (AOS4, MOS, AROS) are still missing some killer
>>applications, something that makes old Amiga fans switching from
>>WinUAE to one of this OSes ... but this is OT here.

> yes its OT, but if this few amiga community should be force to a system
>that cost much money and miss Hardware performance do not help much.

>New Amigas (AOS4, MOS, AROS) are still missing some killer
>applications, something that makes old Amiga fans switching from
>WinUAE to one of this OSes ... but this is OT here.

¿ AROS ? doesn't force anyone and the hardware for AROS seems OK

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I borrowed this comments from here (#27 & #28):
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Exactly. Or better yet, you could do the port to all 4, and claim full 10k (+ whatever the OS4.1-specific bounty will have) - isn't that easily worth the extra 10%? As they are based on same OS (just like OS4) this shouldn't be that big effort. And together they are worth 7.5k Besides, you could "hire" some people to handle the other ports from bounty money?

It's not _easily_ worth the extra 10% (10% per port that is)!
If we say making a decent port for MOS will take 3-4 weeks(?) of fulltime work the $3200 will not even pay you a decent wage.

Apart from that the Friedens said that they have no interest in either AROS or MOS (competing systems actually), so that would probably mean a port would take even longer

The Amizilla bounty has been dead for a long time IMHO and it's all because of the crazy setup where first porter only gets 25%. Personally I think the Amizilla bounty should be cancelled, money would do more for the community elsewhere and there should have been a limit for how long Discreetfx could hold on to it.

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>because of the crazy setup where first porter only gets 25%

If one porter would have implemented Amizilla for AOS3 APIs it would have been easy for him compiling the software for the other OSes.

X compiling rules !

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@Arko

I must agree with rogue on why the first one should get 25% of the money when doing 90% of the work. Not fair.

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I get also in mind, is the OS4 firefox Version full mulitthreaded as the Linux Version for a single CPU ?

I see only that OS4 netsurf and OWB use no threads, MOS versions do.

firefox is much faster as OWB, show the page text very soon, because its multithreaded.there is a link here from fab that show cnn page need load time 8 sec on MOS.

http://fabportnawak.free.fr/vids/cnn.mpg

now look with your OS4 OWB browser.does it show too text of this page in 8 sec ?

try several times.

I test with AROS OWB on vmware.Need here 7 sec.

Then i try firefox windows.need 3-4 sec.
then i use the safari browser with webkit engine.Need too only 3-4 sec.

I think from this 8 sec load time most time is wait on Internet.

when save the page to disk, then it show very soon, so important for a fast browser is good threading that show as fast as possible the text and links and load the rest of page in the background and dont break scrolling.

>You wrote a lot of things but there was no eplanation why Windows want >to have Firefox on an emulated und five times slower system.

Can you answer wy a OS4 user with a fast PC need firfox ?.Wy he use not windows ?

all know windows is slow and large.also firefox 3.x is gone slow on my windows system, on start.I like a browser that start fast.

the reaction time when for example open the prefs is slow on windows.

Because many data need load on windows side.same happen with other windows programs.

But when the lightwight AOS run on winuae on fast X86 the reaction time is lots faster with dopus magellan and it happen very selden that there need after a mouseclick wait more than 0.2 sec to finish a action.this i like not wait.

a 68k program run maybe 2* slower(see on openredalert frame rate counter), but that doesnt matter if its fast enough.

and a app like firefox do wait more for internet access.

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>I must agree with rogue on why the first one should get 25%
>of the money when doing 90% of the work. Not fair.

What Hyperion does now, means they do 90% of the work and get 0% of the Amizilla Bounty.

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Wy is the name not firefox ?

Does anyone really care, IMHO TimberWolf sounds far nicer

I still wonder why a part of the Amizilla bounty isn't transfered to this bounty...

I can't remember it, but the Amizilla bounty wasn't originally intended to port Firefox to *AmigaOS*, and later extended to other OSs? atleast iirc, the $4000 donation made by a former Netscape executive was for the AmigaOS part(?), shouldn't at least this be transfered to this bounty? Or maybe this Netscape executive should be contacted... i'm quite sure if that person does not want to kill us he will not have problem on his money transfered.. imho.

It's time to put a stop to the rumors that they are sold out. "The AmiZilla Classic Thong" is in fact still available.


http://www.cafepress.com/amizilla.9875668

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