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Hardware News   Hardware News : Commodore USA's Final Challenge to the Community
   posted by BigBentheAussie on 19-Dec-2011 19:44:52 (56400 reads)
Commodore USA has a final challenge for this community that could enable them to have a new Commodore AMIGA with absolutely any of the features they want. We are serious about this, and we hope you will also take this offer seriously too, and contribute positively to the fruition of the Commodore AMIGA dream.

Allow me to outline our final challenge to the community, and how we can work together towards a unifying goal.
I have a list of obligations for the parties.


1. The community must definitively decide, through polls or whatever, what exactly it wants a Commodore AMIGA from Commodore USA to be.
2. Commodore USA will build and/or sell all product/s that will bear the official Commodore AMIGA brand.
3. Commodore USA will sell the first batch of a particular product AT (THEIR) COST to pre-paid customers only.
4. A minimum of 500 customers must pre-pay the entire amount in an independent account at a trusted institution (at the community's discretion) for the project to begin.
5. Commodore USA will negotiate for all required technology, be it software or hardware, and such costs will be divided by the amount of customers in the initial batch. So the more that join in, the lower the overall cost.
6. Commodore USA will outline all the costs, in as much detail as they are able to, before any customers make payment.
7. Commodore USA is ONLY paid on completion of the work to the satisfaction of the 500+ first batch customers, when the final product is ready to ship.
8. On project commencement, Commodore USA will provide monthly project updates until completion.
9. If Commodore USA does not perform the required work in 6 months of the project commencement date, then the 500+ customers have the option to withdraw immediately for a full refund of their prepayment.
10. Commodore USA reserve the right to affix a margin, at their discretion, to future sales of the product/s, past the initial batch.
11. The community will nominate two independent representatives or leaders who will liaise more closely with Commodore USA and report back to the community.
12. Sometimes negotiations require an NDA, that would limit public consumption of exact costs. In such circumstances that an NDA is required, the two nominated representatives of the community, who will also be under NDA, can independently verify such costs.
13. There will be no advertising of the product or its components by Commodore USA until project commencement.
14. In the meantime, Commodore USA will potentially continue with its current x86 based Commodore AMIGA plans, that will co-exist with the community's desired Commodore AMIGA branded product/s.

Warmest Regards,
Leo Nigro
Chief Technology Officer
Commodore USA, LLC
lan@commodoreusa.net
www.CommodoreUSA.net
    

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Re: Commodore USA's Final Challenge to the Community
Posted on 20-Dec-2011 1:09:38
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@ Leo:

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If 500 people want it. Sure. Everything is on the table.


However not from scratch if you want a reasonable time frame, unless you look at my previous post.


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@ Leo

I like the mini tower best (though I prefer white)....always loved the Amiga checkmark


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@Darrin
We will talk to whichever party is required to make things happen.


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@BigBentheAussie

I like the basic design of the Amiga 1000 & Amiga 2000 desktop cases. But are these going to be available for FlexATX Form Factor &/or original A2000 &A1000's? I dont like the large LED readout. another 5.25 drive bay would be a lot more practical - a very small readout near the base of the case may look good if people really want that. The amiga name is also too big & I would much prefer it in white & without the color strip.

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i know that this is a way to reach out. however basing business decisions on polls is not a responsible way of handing affairs

you can read the forums and guess what everyone wants. if anything makes business sense pursue it. if not don't. your business should not revolve around the few people here.

because of past transgressions of other amiga businesses the chances of this offer being successful is slim. matter of fact this is really a slap in the face to all the people that have been taken in by past offers they lost money on.

maybe you all should rethink this.


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http://amigaworld.net/modules/news/article.php?storyid=6175&start=20&order=0#82692

Post of the day.

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Re: Commodore USA's Final Challenge to the Community
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@BigBenTheAussie

Thanks for trying to reach out one more time. My advice, for what it's worth...

The first thing you need to do is to make it absolutely clear that you're not asking for prepayment as such. There are many of us who've gotten burned over the years so we're not exactly receptive to the idea of prepaying for anything. What I suggest you do is get the requirements from the community, and then set up a project with (the real) Kickstarter. You'll benefit from the respectability that Kickstarter provides, we'll know that if the project goes belly-up we won't get ripped off (again), and if the design is attractive enough you'll get more (perhaps way more) than 500 sales out of it.

The next thing you need to do is tell us the sort of things we can expect from a 6 months development period. Many of us have no idea of the kind of timeframes involved with creating a new product. You must have some idea of the sort of things that you can and can't realistically do in that timespan, it would help if you shared that. Otherwise all you'll end up with is a bunch of people ####ed off at you for not being able to deliver on something you may have never had a chance to.

Finally, whatever you release needs to have an OS, and the community has said a resounding NO to Linux (at least in the form of a standard distro - something like Amithlon maybe more palatable). Since the gatekeeper there is Hyperion, you should work with them to secure, if not their OS, at least the naming rights to distribute either OS3 or AROS (x86 or 68k). Without that you can't really call what you'll be producing an Amiga. A joint statement with Hyperion saying that you've reached a deal of some kind will help enormously.

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Posted on 20-Dec-2011 2:04:16
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it must be compatible with amigaos 4 that's all.
take contact with hyperion and try to work hand in hand.
if your new amiga doesn't have amigaos, it's not an amiga, it's a pc with a sticker.
and i would like a sequel of great amiga game on it !!!! shadow of the beast 4 or things like that...turrican 4 or 3d a new lotus ...etc... etc..

Last edited by turrican33 on 20-Dec-2011 at 02:07 AM.
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It's easy, give me the new A1200 in a Fantasy case! PPC-based and runing AOS 4 with a Radeon HD chip on it.

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If they contracted Hyperion and the makers of the SAM and X1000 then they could. Of course that would mean the who community pulling together and forming a relationship based on trust.


Just thinking out loud here, but shouldn't the target be bigger than selling PPC to the same audience who mostly has one already?

I'm thinking unify the camps under the official name and press forward on modern hardware. This is probably not what CUSA was trying to get at, but it makes the most sense to me. It would be nice to have everyone working toward the same goal.

The problem is, could the camps work together? Laughable?


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@CodeSmith
I've said repeatedly... Everything is on the table.
We do not receive payment until the project is completed.
Just decide on a project with as much universal agreement as you can.
Payment will be into an escrow account, which the community or representatives of the community set up.


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please answer to my question :
is it possible to have an hardware compatible with amigaos 4 ?????

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@BigBentheAussie

Thanks for spelling it out. I'm assuming by "everything" you mean x86, PPC and 68K/FPGA?

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Yes. To everything.....but remember there will be costs associated, which would ultimately be divided by the 500+ in the first batch. So, a bit of reality is required.


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Continue the abandoned path of the original Commodore...develop a powerful new compatible chipset and choose a PPC processor.
Finally to conclude agreements with Hyperion.


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and for the os ???? linux ? nothing else ??? what are the possibilities ???

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@BigBentheAussie

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Yes. To everything.....but remember there will be costs associated, which would ultimately be divided by the 500+ in the first batch. So, a bit of reality is required.

That's why I suggested that it would be a good idea to let us know what's in the realm of possibility. We have no idea what resources you have available to you. Are we looking at supporting and maybe extending an existing project (eg an FPGAArcade in a nice Amiga enclosure complete with custom Amiga keyboard) or creating something from scratch (eg the sort of projects ACube's been doing)

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OS could be anything you want.....
We'll cross whatever bridges when we reach them.
Just decide which bridge.
Just realise that development costs would be split across the first 500+.
The more realistic the product the less it will cost.

Last edited by BigBentheAussie on 20-Dec-2011 at 02:39 AM.


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thanks for your answer,
then why not to make a poll for the os ???
i think os 4should be the choice but who knows.

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Here's what I'd like to see in a dream Amiga built by Commodore USA...

An Amiga 1200 with a Natami-based motherboard (with a layout near the original) with new peripheral ports as well as the classic peripheral ports (you know, USB, Serial, etc...). Also offering both PowerPC and x86 cards (for the trap door slot expansion) to support Amiga OS4, MorphOS and AROS.

The design approach would follow in the similar vein as the C64x (minus the x86 mobo, etc...) like a newly designed and slightly retro style keyboard in the same inspired all-in-one shell with some obvious modifications to support required components (like an optical drive, etc...).

The reason I say this is a good idea is there were so many other add-ons and options that could take an Amiga 1200 motherboard, stick it in a tower-based case and expand it to do other things. There is a hardware ecosystem built around the A1200 motherboard that it should be nurtured and evolved to support the Amiga market in various ways.

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